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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by tehbeard »

anon_123g987 wrote: post #105
tehbeard wrote: post #74

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As much as the evangelicals of America screw with the rest of the world in their quest for purity, the better answer seems to be: How do you know those nudes are taken consensually? And what's your liability for developing ("reproducing") them?

Why would you assume a crime by default? The presumption of innocence is only a slogan in the US, just like the above mentioned secularity. Look what happened with the guy in this post. You can't even take a photo of your own kid.

The discussion was around prints of naked adults and why stores might have policies to not develop those. I offered an alternative reason based on the legal landscape rather than a cultural one.

> You can't even take a photo of your own kid.

You missed the part where we're discussing a sub-topic off that story, someone's experience working in a photo store, and the policies in place there.

> Why would you assume a crime by default?

I assume you mean "you" as in a photo store that finds such negatives in a job order, and not me directly?

Because as I said, your liability or even reputation if this isn't from something legal, is not worth the profit made.

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Post by uxp100 »

dessant wrote: post #126
threeseed wrote: post #101

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Speak with recruiters. Most of the jobs I've worked for have come via old school phone calls.

Factory workers usually aren't snagged by headhunters, and many jobs around the world require online application.

Often jobs like those have open houses, especially in todays hiring market. However, as you note, it’s common for follow up and hiring to require, or be much easier with online paperwork.

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Post by rwalle »

threesquared wrote: post #237
egman_ekki wrote: post #232

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Can NextCloud do OCR on the pictures, identify people and allow search by objects in the photo? Because those are the killer features for me that make it super useful to use Google photos.

You might want to check out something like https://photoprism.app/

I bet that the accuracy and user experience are nowhere as good as Google Photos. Which is sad.

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Post by OOPMan »

yyyk wrote: post #303
mulmen wrote: post #228

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Prohibition didn’t work. Everyone who wanted to kept drinking. Religious guilt is an ineffective motivator of change. Source: human history. It’s time to move on.

>Religious guilt is an ineffective motivator of change. >Source: human history. The alcohol consumption statistics of certain ME states strongly disprove your thesis.

Ah yes, a bunch of rather totalitarian societies as the model to strive for, great jumping off point.

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Post by RealStickman_ »

pas wrote: post #214
zerof1l wrote: post #80

This story should serve as a warning and a motivation to move away from iCloud, Google Cloud, and alike for video and photo storage. The easiest thing is to just purchase a drive or NAS and store your media on it. If you're a bit tech-savvy, you can run your own NextCloud. I run NextCloud on Hetzner, 1TB storage box + web server for a total of $7 a month. Or you can get Hetzner to run the NextCloud for you for about…

> 1TB storage box hah, we're a hetzner costumer for .. years now, but I had no idea they have this :D https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box so you can connect the NextCloud to the storage account? which protocol do you use for this?

Not OP, but I also use Hetzner and their storage boxes. Servers I use will connect using samba. For temporary access from other devices I usually use FTPS, but they also offer a bunch of other protocols.

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Post by yyyk »

public_defender wrote: post #352
yyyk wrote: post #251

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What makes you think the body is useful? Robots will be able to do everything better, and if not, there'll be no shortage of labour. The body is mostly a cost center. If we strip down the human to a mind in a box it's so much cheaper (and no need for guards either!).

Well, you are correct in the sense that only the consciousness needs to be incarcerated in order to sustain the profit model, but: (a) compute cost for uploaded brains is probably more than the cost for the pig slop and water/sewer bills of current model. Recall that prisons right now almost never have AC. If you're going away from corpses, you'll have to pay for that. (b) Cost of caring for the physical body has pre…

Of course, uploading wastes precious computing resources. Which is why I was considering not uploading them, just keeping a brain in a vat. We can still charge them for nutrients, calls and VR time, but avoid all those pesky bodily costs.

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Post by megous »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #241
some-human wrote: post #187

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The problem is finding them. If a layman looks for a cloud back up provider that isn't one of the BigTech group - uses Duck Duck Go and finds a small company offering 10GB back up for free. Unfortunately for them, that service is using AWS for storage, so ultimately despite they're best effort they're just using amazon cloud storage.

This is where the small guys kick ass vs the Googles/Microsoft. Try Dropbox, Backblaze etc. Much better experience. Apple is OK UX wise but locked in which sucks.

I wouldn't call Dropbox small guys, lol. They can build one large nuclear powerplant on their revenue every 2 years.

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Post by mindslight »

kiawe_fire wrote: post #317
mindslight wrote: post #225

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At least to me, it seems quite appropriate to characterize the autocratic merging of government and corporate power as "fascism". Yes, it's missing some specific trappings of the original fascists, but definitions adapt and widen over time. In fascism 1.0, singular authority vested with the head of government who then subjugated every other institution under the government. In fascism 2.0, power consolidates from the…

Moreover, there is evidence that Google (along with Twitter and Facebook) frequently take actions to suppress opposing views on behalf of, and in collusion with, one side of the US government, including removal of information from one side and amplification of misinformation from the other. In some cases, it conforms more to classical fascism than many realize. That said, in this particular case, I’m still not sure i…

> Moreover, there is evidence that Google (along with Twitter and Facebook) frequently take actions to suppress opposing views on behalf of, and in collusion with, one side of the US government, including removal of information from one side and amplification of misinformation from the other.

This is a highly loaded paradigm, carrying an extremely misleading framing. From my perspective, US corporations and US government are indeed colluding, against an outside attack trying to tear them down to replace with a different power structure. I've had no love for the US power structure and have myself often wished to wholesale replace it, but the vision that attack is offering is so regressive that I've become extremely conservative for the time being.

> no reason to believe that anyone’s acting in bad faith

Of course nobody is acting in bad faith. Bad faith actions are decently punished by our society, so the structures that have built up operate on good faith, and produce constructive bad outcomes in spite of it.

> but it is a great demonstration to people how easily big tech can become weapons of fascism

This feels like it's missing the ultimate dynamic, by falsely asserting that fascism can only flow from the bona fide government. Whereas actually, Google's actions within Google's currently-limited sphere of influence are fascist in nature, and that sphere is growing. As I said, "similar end state, but coming at it from a different direction".

> it’s important to opt out of centralized big tech

I wholeheartedly agree, which is why I think it's important to describe the fundamental dynamics of these centralized surveillance companies before they have grown to be truly all-encompassing. Even presently, using Google is a mandatory requirement to interact with many government services (Recaptcha), and the more you make yourself known the Google the fewer roadblocks they hit you with. It's not a stretch to think as non-Google browsers ramp up their surveillance protection, that logging into a Google account will become default mandatory to pass such checks, giving Google account status the bona fide force of law.

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Post by RealStickman_ »

some-human wrote: post #267
quickthrower2 wrote: post #241

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This is where the small guys kick ass vs the Googles/Microsoft. Try Dropbox, Backblaze etc. Much better experience. Apple is OK UX wise but locked in which sucks.

Dropbox used to be hosted on AWS. How is a laymen supposed to tell the difference between Backblaze - running their own servers, and a Dropbox-like - which is really just uploading your files to amazon's servers? That's the point I was trying to make.

Assuming Dropbox encrypt the data at rest, Amazon won't have any access to it. And if they do delete stuff they now have to deal with a company instead of single individuals.
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