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Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by drewzero1 »

geraldwhen wrote: post #176
jacquesm wrote: post #110

The responses to this are more interesting than the device itself. It's innovative, it's done by a brand that has a reasonable reputation for reliability and for standing behind their products and it may well fit a niche. Innovation is always going to be risky, and Asus stands to lose some of their credibility if the device does not hold up over time. So I'll be more than happy to let them do their thing. As for sust…

God help your soul if you need to deal with an ASUS hardware RMA. They are easily the worst PC hardware manufacturer of all, and they sell clearly damaged and broken parts as "refurb." They are terrible.

I replaced a broken display on a friend's ASUS laptop several years ago (which she had bought a few years before that at my recommendation) and found that one of the display hinge screws went right through the wifi antenna cable. "Oh yeah," she said when I pointed it out. "The wifi reception's never been very good." I put in a replacement antenna and cable from a parts laptop I had around and it worked much better.

That was the moment I realized that most consumer hardware is crap (even well-respected brands), and it can be difficult and expensive to try to find something that's not. I no longer recommend any specific brands to people.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by belter »

nottorp wrote: post #359
belter wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"OLED burn-in: should you be worried about it? And how can you prevent it?" (2021): https://www.whathifi.com/advice/oled-burn-in-should-you-be-w... "...while technological improvements mean OLED burn in (often called image retention by manufacturers because that sounds less scary) is less likely to hit an OLED TV than it used to be, the actions of the manufacturers themselves prove that the issue hasn’t completely go…

I'd prefer some anecdata from people actually owning oled TVs ;) Like "I always forget to shut down my PS5 when i stop playing and I have/don't have burn in on my oled tv".

Agree.

Quite visible at least here: https://youtu.be/hWrFEU_605g?t=105

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by BoorishBears »

laumars wrote: post #357
BoorishBears wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being way too defensive here. The iPhone was revolutionary, lacking some software features at launch was nothing that couldn't be fixed. What the post above clearly means is releasing hardware that's still a few iterations from being "mainstream appealing" If you actually follow the story of the iPhone, Apple could have released a bulkier more primitive version, but Steve Jobs refused because it wouldn't have…

The stuff you’re critiquing does have mainstream appeal though. If it didn’t they wouldn’t sell well. Yet they do. Honestly, the views here smack more of elitism than any deep understanding of what the mainstream like.

You're completely misunderstanding what I don't think is a difficult point.

Don't look at sales of the folding phones for example... look at sales at the very first folding phone (low production Samsung model)

Look at sales of not 120hz screens, but the first 120hz (spoiler: It was a low production Razer gaming phone)

Look at the laptop linked here... clearly it is not meant to sell in mainstream numbers like a Macbook

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Other companies seem to be ok with releasing what are essentially prototypes with production bodies. There's bound to be teething issues, but they're ok with that.

And the feature might have mainstream appeal, but the entire device they release it on does not... at least not in the current iteration.

Apple on the other hand seems to only want to release once they can release in full force and maximum widespread appeal.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by JadeNB »

can16358p wrote: post #326
JadeNB wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Good or bad, that is the norm now and if you don't let your kid access to a tablet while all the other kids do, that child will be lacking a lot of confidence and practical tech skills. I'm pretty sure most of us on HN grew up without access to iPads, but still somehow developed practical tech skills, including the ability to learn to use iPads.

We've grown up to something technically harder-to-use than an iPad, and I'm comparing today's equivalent. If we normalize this to current HN audience's childhood (roughly), it's more like not touching a computer and not seeing a modem until 20s, while all the kids know at least how to turn a computer, use Windows Explorer/Mac Finder, developed motor skills to use a keyboard efficiently, know how to modify Word docs e…

Certainly, but all the technology with which we grew up is still out there. A kid who hasn't had an iPad is not automatically a kid who hasn't had any hands-on experience with technology, and, while I can imagine there's some debate here about whether or not it's feasible to raise a child in today's world without an iPad or equivalent device—I'm not a parent, and so wouldn't presume to participate—I can't imagine anyone here advancing the position that "I'll raise my kid without any kind of 'hacking' experience."

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by crakhamster01 »

laumars wrote: post #354
crakhamster01 wrote: post #336

Pretty cool tech, but from the Dave2D video, the crease + bulkiness is still bad enough to be a dealbreaker for me (and I imagine many others as well). I find it interesting that companies like Asus, Samsung, etc. frequently put out these devices that feature emerging tech, but clearly aren't ready for primetime. You would never catch Apple releasing something like this since they have brand value to protect, but Asu…

Rise tinted glasses much? Apple have had more than their fair share of bad tech. Such as fanless computers overheating, keyboards that break, monitor hinges that tear the monitor cable, and the first iPhone had fewer features than many of the “dumb” feature phones released years prior. I say this as someone who owns a lot of Apple hardware too. So this isn’t some anti Apple bias Moreover it’s pretty absurd to say tha…

Haha yea maybe my glasses are a little tinted, but I think you're conflating two different points. Apple has released flawed products in the past, but they rarely (never?) include emerging tech that isn't polished enough for mainstream consumption. I say this as a former Android user who loved touting that "Android had that feature first", but it's hard to deny that features like mobile payments have just been executed better by Apple.

Also, since when are foldable OLEDs hugely popular?

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by bedast »

geraldwhen wrote: post #176
jacquesm wrote: post #110

The responses to this are more interesting than the device itself. It's innovative, it's done by a brand that has a reasonable reputation for reliability and for standing behind their products and it may well fit a niche. Innovation is always going to be risky, and Asus stands to lose some of their credibility if the device does not hold up over time. So I'll be more than happy to let them do their thing. As for sust…

God help your soul if you need to deal with an ASUS hardware RMA. They are easily the worst PC hardware manufacturer of all, and they sell clearly damaged and broken parts as "refurb." They are terrible.

Late last year going into early this year I had to deal with ASUS RMA with my ROG Flow X13 and the dock. The dock started failing. They wanted both the laptop and the dock sent in, so I sent both in. It took a while, but they got it taken care of.

The only problem I ran into is apparently FedEx treated the return as a soccer ball. The sturdy packaging was very damaged, and I'm surprised the damage to the laptop and dock weren't worse than a cracked frame, bent hinge, and cracked dock frame.

ASUS handled redoing the RMA without charging me anything. My assumption is they used the FedEx insurance.

They always re-image the device. When I got it back the second time, they forgot to remove their repair image and I had to re-image it myself. No biggie, I'm fine with that.

Perhaps what helped me is I've worked with technology for a couple of decades, including doing technical support and front line support for several years at the start of my career. I used my troubleshooting skills before even contacting ASUS and gave them all of my findings. The person I was talking to didn't bother with trying any further troubleshooting and just requested the RMA.

So, while I get that talking to any system builder's tech support and RMA can be a pain, I had a positive experience with ASUS RMA.

I have a friend with a recent Alienware laptop that had issues on day 1. Dell technician did a house call, basically destroyed his laptop, and left. Another friend has sworn off Dell because after several RMAs of his laptop, the warranty eventually expired and it still failed again. I don't know many people who have had to go through RMAs of other companies. But I get the impression that, outside of business support, all of them are garbage. However, ASUS did me right.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by laumars »

BoorishBears wrote: post #363
laumars wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The stuff you’re critiquing does have mainstream appeal though. If it didn’t they wouldn’t sell well. Yet they do. Honestly, the views here smack more of elitism than any deep understanding of what the mainstream like.

You're completely misunderstanding what I don't think is a difficult point. Don't look at sales of the folding phones for example... look at sales at the very first folding phone (low production Samsung model) Look at sales of not 120hz screens, but the first 120hz (spoiler: It was a low production Razer gaming phone) Look at the laptop linked here... clearly it is not meant to sell in mainstream numbers like a Macbo…

I understand your point perfectly fine. What you’re doing is cherry picking examples to suit a personal bias and ignoring the fact that some of your examples of “unready technology” not only sell well but are hugely loved by those who own it.

Take the Samsung phone you’re citing. One of my non-technical friends has one and absolutely loves it.

Plenty of companies have successful products with hardware that you consider beneath you. And Apple have released plenty of hardware that has absolutely been unfit for mass market. The destination you’re making here is purely your own bias.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by eertami »

sovnade wrote: post #345
KptMarchewa wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is funny because while current 14' and 16' MBPs are very ahead of competition, previous generation was dogshit in terms of quality, and had a lot of this "blue sky innovation" that decreased usability - like the touch bar.

The M1 and M2 (and the benefits from them, like ridiculous battery life, low heat (enough so that you can run it totally fanless unless you're outside in the direct sun or something), and more importantly desktop-comparable speed for even heavy tasks like photo/video editing are really, really good. Honestly unless you're required to run windows, it makes a macbook kind of a no brainer right now, especially if you ha…

> Honestly unless you're required to run windows

Or Linux, at this stage. Apple silicon support is not good enough yet to be a pleasant experience. Sure, an x86 laptop doesn't compete with power efficiency of the M1/M2 - might be useful if you regularly need to go multiple days without power, but my x86 laptop already gets more than 8 hours battery which is "good enough", and is just as fast for development usage (I have an M1 MBP too, I have tested this side by side).

As a bonus I have full control of the hardware and the software that I want to run on it. I almost never reach for the Macbook unless I need to test something OSX specific.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by BoorishBears »

laumars wrote: post #367
BoorishBears wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're completely misunderstanding what I don't think is a difficult point. Don't look at sales of the folding phones for example... look at sales at the very first folding phone (low production Samsung model) Look at sales of not 120hz screens, but the first 120hz (spoiler: It was a low production Razer gaming phone) Look at the laptop linked here... clearly it is not meant to sell in mainstream numbers like a Macbo…

I understand your point perfectly fine. What you’re doing is cherry picking examples to suit a personal bias and ignoring the fact that some of your examples of “unready technology” not only sell well but are hugely loved by those who own it. Take the Samsung phone you’re citing. One of my non-technical friends has one and absolutely loves it. Plenty of companies have successful products with hardware that you consid…

Again, being way way way too defensive, and completely missing the point because you're so focused on being as combative as possible.

Things like the Galaxy Fold are successful products aimed at non-mainstream scale.

No one is calling those features useless, or unappealing, it's the entire package that is intentionally not marketed for the mainstream.

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It's ironic because you seem to be getting increasingly upset thinking that this is all pro-Apple propaganda, when the reality is I'm saying Apple is afraid of taking risk and iterates internally instead of externally which isn't necessarily a good thing... we've seen that with AirPower for example.

Odd how some people get about these companies, this really shouldn't be such an emotional topic, it's pretty much non-debatable that Apple doesn't really do the kind of device in this post, while other manufacturers do.

Re: Asus Zenbook 17 Fold OLED

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Post by sascha_sl »

crakhamster01 wrote: post #365
laumars wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rise tinted glasses much? Apple have had more than their fair share of bad tech. Such as fanless computers overheating, keyboards that break, monitor hinges that tear the monitor cable, and the first iPhone had fewer features than many of the “dumb” feature phones released years prior. I say this as someone who owns a lot of Apple hardware too. So this isn’t some anti Apple bias Moreover it’s pretty absurd to say tha…

Haha yea maybe my glasses are a little tinted, but I think you're conflating two different points. Apple has released flawed products in the past, but they rarely (never?) include emerging tech that isn't polished enough for mainstream consumption. I say this as a former Android user who loved touting that "Android had that feature first", but it's hard to deny that features like mobile payments have just been execut…

AirPower is the example you're looking for. They decided to cancel it instead of shipping a product that'd not be up to their standards.
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