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Is it now well known that Dilbert exists solely because Scott Adams was told - as a young executive - that he would not be promoted further because he is a white male? [1] --- [1] https://twitter.com/scottadamssays/status/127766727657395404...
It is well-known that Adams claimed that long after the fact, which is somewhat different from it being known to be true.
What the Hell Is Up with Dilbert?
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#362Bottom Line Up Front: Progressives should rework their messaging so that it does not highlight and reinforce differences.
If you look at Conservative media criticism of Progressives, you'll see a lot of Anti-Wokeness. Progressives need to understand why this criticism is so effective. Pushing the envelope makes people uncomfortable. There is a very powerful emotional drive to return to a comfortable state, especially when we feel like we are attacked.
Examining the media split of the 2010's, several things come to mind:
1. Directed and funded media pushing a conservative agenda.
2. The Tea Party Movement and Trumpism.
3. The end of shame as an effective tool.
To expand on the end of shame - in the past, people were more likely to change their behavior in order to avoid being called out for prejudice or discrimination. This doesn't work anymore. Another place you can see this is in the reaction to public masking requests. Shame did not work to get people to mask.
Shame is very motivating, but the motivation does not always take the direction intended. If another group is willing to offer cover for beliefs or actions, then individuals will be motivated to join that group instead of being shamed. If you can find something for "ashamed" people to be proud of, they will flock to that banner.
This brings us back to messaging. "Make America Great Again" just sounds like a good message, if you can divorce it from the source. People who are tired of being attacked or shamed may find comfort in that slogan. MAGA does not say anything about race or gender, which is part of why Trump found voters (a relatively small part of his voters) from minority races and women. Trump could not say that white men should be proud of being white (just think of the implications), but he could say that Americans should be proud of being Americans.
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Now. After all of that, you may have some opinions about me, so let me tell you a little about myself.
I believe that structural inequality, including structural racism and structural sexism, is very real and very damaging.
I believe that individuals should practice anti-racism. I think that anti-racism training that intentionally includes shame is NOT effective or good.
I don't have a strong belief that Progressive politicians are trying to shame white men, but I do see a lot of this shaming in less formal settings, and in communications and training material. Some of it may make sense in context, but it is never good.
I do think that it is natural to feel some shame when we reflect on the past. I don't think we have to live with that every day forever. There needs to be a path to resolution.
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#363Re: What the Hell Is Up with Dilbert?
#364Please try to defer judgement as you read this comment, it may take some turns you don't expect. Bottom Line Up Front: Progressives should rework their messaging so that it does not highlight and reinforce differences. If you look at Conservative media criticism of Progressives, you'll see a lot of Anti-Wokeness. Progressives need to understand why this criticism is so effective. Pushing the envelope makes people unc…
It isn't the progressives that are highlighting and reinforcing differences, they are working (hard) to try to reduce those differences, at least in those ways that matter to a great many people. Progressives by definition yearn for progress and those opposed to it will use anything to stop that progress, any excuse is as good as the next. So no matter what progressives will do to their messaging it will never be enough.
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#365Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issues themselves aren't punching down, but the way he's using the characters is. Imagine Alice deciding to falsely accuse the PHB of sexual harassment to get rid of him. Or Asok becoming a manager and only promoting members of his caste. I feel like this is like that. I transitioned at work, and I've tried really hard not to be this character. I asked people to use my new name and pronouns but never complained t…
> eventually started passing so nobody remembers I'm trans anymore. Exactly, so by presenting in a particular way, you were able to get people to use the pronouns you wanted. I think this is the key to why people find pronoun declaration so meaningless — pronouns are meant as a shortcut chosen by the speaker to refer to another person based on who that person appears to be. Making pronouns into a declaration breaks a…
Re: What the Hell Is Up with Dilbert?
#366Please try to defer judgement as you read this comment, it may take some turns you don't expect. Bottom Line Up Front: Progressives should rework their messaging so that it does not highlight and reinforce differences. If you look at Conservative media criticism of Progressives, you'll see a lot of Anti-Wokeness. Progressives need to understand why this criticism is so effective. Pushing the envelope makes people unc…
Isn't that a version of 'look at what you made me do'? It isn't the progressives that are highlighting and reinforcing differences, they are working (hard) to try to reduce those differences, at least in those ways that matter to a great many people. Progressives by definition yearn for progress and those opposed to it will use anything to stop that progress, any excuse is as good as the next. So no matter what progr…
> they are working (hard) to try to reduce those differences, at least in those ways that matter to a great many people.
Yes.
> It isn't the progressives that are highlighting and reinforcing differences
It is very easy to misunderstand or "misunderstand" a lot of progressive tools and messaging. Insisting on pronoun checks or insisting on defining someone's race as part of a drive for racial equality by necessity highlights differences. That can feel uncomfortable to anyone. It is easy to exploit that discomfort. I'm not asking for people to stop or minimize things like identifying their pronouns. That should be normal. But ... you can't insist on it. You can't force someone else to go along with it. They have to choose to participate.
Progress happens when individuals decide that it's worth their time and effort to push for equality. If the messaging pushes more people out instead of advancing equality, then the messaging is not good.
Most political messaging is more motivating to people who are already part of the movement (no matter what movement) than to outsiders. The Progressive movement by definition needs to motivate people who are not already aligned with a particular goal.
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#367Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe but identifying as a different race is a thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transracial_(identity)
It’s not even an unusual thing. Do my kids identify as white, like their mom, or “brown,” like me? It shouldn’t matter, but in the progressive world view it does. The problem is that progressives, like racist conservatives, don’t see race as only skin deep and attach a bunch of other social and political stuff to it. So whole “identifying as a different race” makes no sense from a traditional liberal view, it is almo…
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If my ideological opponents say "We want to bring back the past", I generally take them at their word. If they say "We think this is a better way to move forward" and somehow manage to avoid giving the impression that they really just want to try to recreate some imagined version of the past, I generally give them the benefit of the doubt.
"We want to bring back the past regarding ecosystem integrity. We want to move forward with unsustainable fishing and oil drilling." Because they don't say "bring back the past wholesale" - you are twisting their words. What they say is "bring back the past in these specific cases, and not others". But a motivated listener can always find ways to misunderstand.
No more questions, your honor.
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#369Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not even an unusual thing. Do my kids identify as white, like their mom, or “brown,” like me? It shouldn’t matter, but in the progressive world view it does. The problem is that progressives, like racist conservatives, don’t see race as only skin deep and attach a bunch of other social and political stuff to it. So whole “identifying as a different race” makes no sense from a traditional liberal view, it is almo…
He's obviously not making a joke about the experience of biracial children.