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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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It's interesting to read the comments here and the debate around whether social media counts as a public square or not. Ultimately, the web, and social media, is where a majority of our citizens spend a large chunk of their time. While it's certainly true, that you don't _need_ to access them to live your life, for the vast majority of us it would be more than an inconvenience to be banned. In all other aspects of ou…

>In all other aspects of our lives, we do not accept rules imposed upon us by a large private actor.

Sure Amtrak is government-run, but many other things we use on a daily basis aren't. Restaurants and stores have their own rules and can kick you out if they think you violated them, without much recourse for you if they were wrong.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#362

It's interesting to read the comments here and the debate around whether social media counts as a public square or not. Ultimately, the web, and social media, is where a majority of our citizens spend a large chunk of their time. While it's certainly true, that you don't _need_ to access them to live your life, for the vast majority of us it would be more than an inconvenience to be banned. In all other aspects of ou…

We want government to run or regulate these systems as long as we trust the government but what happens when we don't trust the government anymore?

Like for example if in this years midterms there's a Congressional supermajority, and then the president is elected from that same party two years later and the courts are of that party.

Will we really want government regulations if things?

There would be widespread mistrust by many groups of people of the government having a single party in charge.

Now that government regulations are established and approved they can be used by the government at their will.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#364

It's interesting to read the comments here and the debate around whether social media counts as a public square or not. Ultimately, the web, and social media, is where a majority of our citizens spend a large chunk of their time. While it's certainly true, that you don't _need_ to access them to live your life, for the vast majority of us it would be more than an inconvenience to be banned. In all other aspects of ou…

If we go one step back, bars, clubs, pubs, discos, and churches/worship places were where a majority of people spent their socializing time in prior to social media platforms.

Those places would routinely throw people out and all had bouncers and sometimes gatekeepers for entry and all that.

There are certain specific patterns that we did regulate, like the tradition where certain gender or race weren't allowed in them. But generally, someone causing a ruckus gets thrown out.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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> Here’s the thing: I’m a stinker. Even at my jolliest, if someone figuratively shoulder-checks me, I’m probably going to make so many mountains out of this molehill that I will adjust the topography of the United States significantly. I’m sorry, but this is your real problem, not Twitter banning you. This is called “pride” and is historically recognized as one of the largest “problem creators” as far as emotions go.…

Wow, the author got falsely accused of posting revenge porn, a criminal act by the way, and your answer is take it? Why are you so intent on attacking the author’s character for simply defending himself?

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#366

It's interesting to read the comments here and the debate around whether social media counts as a public square or not. Ultimately, the web, and social media, is where a majority of our citizens spend a large chunk of their time. While it's certainly true, that you don't _need_ to access them to live your life, for the vast majority of us it would be more than an inconvenience to be banned. In all other aspects of ou…

>In all other aspects of our lives, we do not accept rules imposed upon us by a large private actor. There are courts, and appeals processes, and politicians, and other channels through which we can assert our societal norms.

Out of curiosity, where do you live?

Where I live, I accept that my phone will receive unsolicited robocalls and texts, and that the majority of mail delivered to my address is, similarly, unsolicited waste.

Where I live, I accept that the marketing efforts of a coalition of firearms manufacturers carries more weight than schools littered with dead children, a thousand unarmed people shot to death by police every year, thousands annually killed in domestic situations or on street shootouts. There's also, of course, the #1 cause of death by firearm: suicide.

Where I live, a large private actor repeatedly abused the legal system throughout his career, and through a particular quirk in our bizarre republican democracy, was elected to the highest office in the land after losing a popular election by millions of votes. He continued to break laws while in office, but was never held accountable, and the second time he lost a popular election, went on to break more laws, along with his cronies and a crowd of supporters... There are myriad reasons why this private actor should be in jail, but the government where I live has largely been gutted of any regulatory power.

More often than not where I live, you have one choice of broadband provider, provided by a large private actor, who often times has worked with politicians to outlaw choice.

Maybe you live somewhere else, but where I live, we are reaping what decades of aggressive pro-business anti-government action has sown.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#367

It's interesting to read the comments here and the debate around whether social media counts as a public square or not. Ultimately, the web, and social media, is where a majority of our citizens spend a large chunk of their time. While it's certainly true, that you don't _need_ to access them to live your life, for the vast majority of us it would be more than an inconvenience to be banned. In all other aspects of ou…

> These private companies should be considered access points to the social graph, not owners of it, and therefore regulated as such. Okay, but how ? Every time I see calls for regulation, I don't see any specifics. Regulation isn't a magic wand that solves all problems you don't like while keeping the parts you want to keep. We got regulation for cookies, and now we're all doomed to click cookie banners on every webs…

Agreed, dealing with bots, fake accounts, troll farms, and the scums of the universe actually posting child abuse, revenge porn, or other such things, is a hard problem, especially at the scale of Twitter.

Designing and deploying mechanism that are effective at preventing those and have zero false positives is very hard.

Having humans in the loop at that scale is very hard.

It's all a tricky balance. You can force people to have zero false positives but it's futile, in practice they still will. You can force them to manually verify each posts, but humans also have false positives, and this might come at a cost that Twitter can't afford. It's complicated.

What's less complicated is running your own website where you can be your own moderator...

I think an alternative is to give people some rights. Like establish a category of things that is always allowed. Then use the normal court system. Of course, it's a terribly slow and expensive appeal process, but also the best, and publicly funded.

Similar to a case where you claim you've been refused access to a job or business because of a protected characteristic for example. You'd need to sue.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the clear path?

Admitting that the tweet is revenge porn by closing the review request and deleting the tweet. I mean, in this case, I’d likely keep forcing the review too. This is clearly just a bad detection

Will this not cause more issues?

They will very likely use these appeals to help train the content AI.

You're rewardimg it for a wrong decision that it will use for future decisions.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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post #13

Every time I read about these dystopian deplatforming events on Hacker News, my first reaction is to write a comment on how we could find our way out of this. Then the term "Web3" comes up in my mind, and then I think "Oh now, this is HN, they will burn you alive" and I turn to other things again. But right now, for some reason I feel so strongly about, I'll give it another try. Wouldn't it be great if we could tackl…

Are you young? Because, we once had the web3 you're describing about. Back when P2P was a trending technology, we implemented most of the web on peer to peer mesh network. File sharing, forum, web pages, we had it all. The conclusion is, it was so inefficient most people don't want to use it. That's why people of today use Hacker News rather than P2P forum, trusting the central authority that is Y Combinator.

Are you regularly using these P2P mesh network based communication tools? If not, you won't see the web3 future you are looking for. You don't get a future you don't want to use it regularly.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people are laughing at the whole NFT thing right now but I suspect that in 10-15 years people will be laughing even harder when the whole thing collapses. Yeah you got stuff in a blockchain, but the "stuff" you put in there is a mere link to a service which might not survive so long (most services don't). So yeah in 10-15 years you'll probably have a lot of former nft owners that only own a broken link (or possi…

Bold thinking NFTs will make it more than 5 years

I was being generous
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