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Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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So much of the content I see now on TikTok and other apps is totally staged, and quite often poorly staged at that. It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it. I think things really took off with the people who were making "gold-digger" videos, where a guy tries to talk to a girl an…

It's interesting how you're complaining about so much content being staged. I much prefer that this type of content is staged. The alternative appears to be harassing random strangers like the case in the article. With staged content the only victim is the duped audience who can always just not watch TikTok.

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Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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"And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." So still selfish (if doing it for the reward), but that is human nature.

The way that CS Lewis puts this is essentially that if the reward becomes the motive, you're not going to get it: > We are afraid that heaven is a bribe, and that if we make it our goal we shall no longer be disinterested. It is not so. Heaven offers nothing that a mercenary soul can desire. It is safe to tell the pure in heart that they shall see God, for only the pure in heart want to. There are rewards that do not…

If the alternative is eternal torture in hell I'm not sure that holds.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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So much of the content I see now on TikTok and other apps is totally staged, and quite often poorly staged at that. It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it. I think things really took off with the people who were making "gold-digger" videos, where a guy tries to talk to a girl an…

At least if it's staged you know all the parties are in on it and it's not leaving someone "holding the bag".

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Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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"And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." So still selfish (if doing it for the reward), but that is human nature.

I remember wondering, when I first heard about altruism, whether I was actually an altruist. If I feel good when I do something good for someone, am I not just an egoist who's wired differently? True altruism would be going against what feels good, because I know it to be right.

I think you are an altruist if you feel good for sacrificing to helping others. That good feeling will motivate you to sacrifice to help others and sacrificing to help others is what an altruist is.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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I sort of feel compelled to quote the Bible here, though I'm not religious. "So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do ... to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in s…

This is even older than Jesus.

I also am not religious, but there is a hebrew tradition of Tzedakah mentioned by another poster below, but here are the levels instead of a link.,

Maimonides defines eight levels in giving charity (tzedakah), each one higher than the preceding one.

On an ascending level, they are as follows:

    8. When donations are given grudgingly.

    7. When one gives less than he should, but does so cheerfully.

    6. When one gives directly to the poor upon being asked.

    5. When one gives directly to the poor without being asked.

    4. Donations when the recipient is aware of the donor's identity, but the donor still doesn't know the specific identity of the recipient.

    3. Donations when the donor is aware to whom the charity is being given, but the recipient is unaware of the source.

    2. Giving assistance in such a way that the giver and recipient are unknown to each other. Communal funds, administered by responsible people are also in this category.

    1. The highest form of charity is to help sustain a person before they become impoverished by offering a substantial gift in a dignified manner, or by extending a suitable loan, or by helping them find employment or establish themselves in business so as to make it unnecessary for them to become dependent on others.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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I sort of feel compelled to quote the Bible here, though I'm not religious. "So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do ... to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in s…

"And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." So still selfish (if doing it for the reward), but that is human nature.

Perhaps it only means, seek reward from heaven, not from people. Perhaps because the former would lead you into correct behavior while the latter will lead you inevitably astray.

Not clear the passage is about selfishness per-se at all.

And since presumably reward from heaven is the ultimate in delayed gratification.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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I'm not religious but it reminds me of Matthew 6:5-6 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."…

Although, one could read that as "do good for an audience, just do it for the right audience"

I think that's abstracting too far. They're not even of the same metaphysical substance in the mythology, let alone ethical character.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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TikTok and Instagram are fascinating to me. I got on the latter less than a year ago and seem to have “used up” all the decent content. There are some content generators that still do a good job. But it’s loaded with a whole spectrum of operators who are simply trying to game the system. Yesterday on my timeline was a video of a machine in a factory in China that rotates a drum 180 degrees. It had a million views and…

> I’ve never seen the signal to noise ratio anywhere this terrible for any other social media app. Is the tide finally turning? Even a few months ago people were making superlative claims about how insanely good tiktok's recommendation system is. People claiming it's never-seen-before levels of addictivness. My experience has been a lot more mediocre.

Every post about TikTok seems to have a very similar comment about how all the content is positive and it makes them feel great. And it's recommendations are perfect not like those western social media apps that are bad and negative. It's weird.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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I am glad that filming someone here (Switzerland) without consent is not legal even in public. You can film in public but if a person is the center attention in your footage it becomes illegal and you need their consent especially if you publish it. Only exceptions are large public events where privacy can not be expected. Same goes for identifiable information like license plates. For example if you film a parking l…

How do you determine if someone is "the center of attention"? Could someone record ultra high res video using an ultra wide lens, then privately crop the video at will?

I think society will need to start coming to terms with this.

The concept of "it is public, so it is fair game" can no longer be applied.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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The staged stuff doesn't bother me as much as the dangerous stuff: https://www.fastcompany.com/90287323/people-are-falling-off-...

Natural selection at work.

If you're implying social Darwinism being an expected natural consequence, you may want to research the history and abuses of the idea before accepting it and throwing it around so glibly.
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