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Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by hamburglar »

alfor wrote: post #250
betwixthewires wrote: post #225

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You've got to understand, anti abortion people believe it is murder. This is akin to asking them "why do you care if some random person gets shot in south side Chicago?" It just isn't a line of discussion that makes any sense.

I am not 100% anti abortion, but I think it’s a bad thing. The law said that at one day after birth if you kill a baby it’s murder but one day before it’s fine, do as you please it’s ’her choice’. I think we are too far gone in that direction, a fetus still something, a human life in formation, damn you would face legal consequence if you mistreated a dog.

It doesn't seem like you've considered the possibility that a fetus with no consciousness being terminated may be more humane than forcing it into the hell of being raised by parents that don't want it or can't provide for it. More people should accept that what's going on inside someone else's body is none of their business.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by hamburglar »

xiphias2 wrote: post #345
humanrebar wrote: post #221

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Unpopular opinion here, but I'm pro-life and am considering moving to full remote to get out of states that allow unrestricted late term abortions. In my view, systemic killing of unborn people [1] is up there with slavery and Jim Crow in the worst parts of American history and culture. I have Quaker culture in my family going way back. It'd be nice to be able to vote with my feet on some of these things. If course,…

In principle I would feel the same as you, but if one looks at the science of the development of human fetus versus what we, the humanity do with animals with completely developed nervous systems, I believe that what we're doing to animals for meat production is uncomparably worse. At the same time easy abortion makes hookup culture more prevalent which can lead to other problems with societies.

> easy abortion makes hookup culture more prevalent

What specifically makes you say this? It seems like one of those "common sense" conclusions that begs to be supported by data. The trend might surprise you. Abortion rates have fallen drastically since Roe v Wade (obviously Roe v Wade didn't itself reduce abortion rates, but improved education and access to birth control has been very effective). Has "hookup culture" also fallen drastically? How are abortions fueling hookup culture if they aren't happening as much?

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by xiphias2 »

hamburglar wrote: post #362
xiphias2 wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In principle I would feel the same as you, but if one looks at the science of the development of human fetus versus what we, the humanity do with animals with completely developed nervous systems, I believe that what we're doing to animals for meat production is uncomparably worse. At the same time easy abortion makes hookup culture more prevalent which can lead to other problems with societies.

> easy abortion makes hookup culture more prevalent What specifically makes you say this? It seems like one of those "common sense" conclusions that begs to be supported by data. The trend might surprise you. Abortion rates have fallen drastically since Roe v Wade (obviously Roe v Wade didn't itself reduce abortion rates, but improved education and access to birth control has been very effective). Has "hookup culture…

I just looked at the data, it seems that both of us are somewhat right, but at this point birth control and education outweights abortion law:

In 1973, the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in all 50 states. From 1973 to 1980, the abortion rate rose almost 80%, peaking at 29.3 abortions per 1,000 women of childbearing age ...From 1981 through 2017, the abortion rate fell by approximately one-half.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_Uni...

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by anon9001 »

silisili wrote: post #359
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #355

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I do not understand this comment (I am French, this may be a cultural/political thing) Duo you mean that women who undergo abortion wild not do that if they had access to healthcare and maternity leave? We have access to both and still have abortions. About 220k per year, which is about 30% of all pregnancies. Either we have a dumb population that did not know what contraception is (we have sex ed all the time), or t…

In the US, typically employers pay for most or all of your family's health insurance. Yes, it's absurd. Losing your job means losing your insurance. US also has laws requiring up to 3 months of leave for having children. So, if you have a child, the company must accept or pay for your leave, depending on policy, and their health insurance costs for you go up.

I don't think non-Americans appreciate the complexity here.

To anyone unfamiliar with our health care system for typical employees:

Once a year, most companies have a "benefits training" session that explains this year's crazy health care situation. They're boring and I only go to the first one when I join a company.

But it's 2022 and we have youtube, so I found Ohio State's training in public: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjAWj0f6DAc

Anyone employed with benefits needs to have at least a vague understanding of everything in there or they're at financial risk.

So when you hear about contractors fighting to become employees so they have access to benefits, they're fighting for the opportunity to make these benefits elections.

I know plenty of people who design systems for a living that find getting their elections right to be confusing.

You'll notice that a big part of our health care cost mitigation is projecting expenses. It's like a prediction market where you can only lose less, but if you get it wrong you can lose a lot.

Fun!

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by hamburglar »

xiphias2 wrote: post #363
hamburglar wrote: post #362

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> easy abortion makes hookup culture more prevalent What specifically makes you say this? It seems like one of those "common sense" conclusions that begs to be supported by data. The trend might surprise you. Abortion rates have fallen drastically since Roe v Wade (obviously Roe v Wade didn't itself reduce abortion rates, but improved education and access to birth control has been very effective). Has "hookup culture…

I just looked at the data, it seems that both of us are somewhat right, but at this point birth control and education outweights abortion law: In 1973, the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in all 50 states. From 1973 to 1980, the abortion rate rose almost 80%, peaking at 29.3 abortions per 1,000 women of childbearing age ...From 1981 through 2017, the abortion rate fell by approximately one-half.…

This isn't a question of who's right or wrong. I'm specifically asking about your claim that abortions are driving "hookup culture." This implies that people are having more sex because of availability of abortions. Why do you think this? For that matter, what makes you think people are having more sex, period?

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danachow wrote: post #303
imgabe wrote: post #179

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The "at the time" was 1965. Contraception was new and controversial 50 years ago. It's not anymore and is widely supported. Is there any current law or proposal to outlaw contraception? Such a law would be wildly unpopular, even among most pro-life people.

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Post by timeon »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #240
fumar wrote: post #41

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I recently declined an Apple role that required Austin relocation. I like Austin and considered the move, but ultimately my family is my priority. We can't risk moving to a tech hub in a blistering red state with growing regulation on personhood. I told the recruiter Apple needs to reconsider where it plans to do long-term business.

> but ultimately my family is my priority. That’s an ironic way of saying you’re pro abortion.

Can you explain?

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Post by sofixa »

nradov wrote: post #198
gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #138

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I think there are (at least) two things on this topic. The majority opinion didn't agree with Thomas (no one signed on to it). Second, event under Thomas' opinion, the question becomes one of shaky Constitutional footing. If these "rights" are not really Constitutional, the issue needs to move to Congress. There is nothing that prevents Congress from crafting a law to explicitly allow anything you listed. Also, it co…

While I support marriage equality, it seems like fundamentally the wrong issue. Government shouldn't be involved in marriage in the first place. A better solution would be to eliminate civil marriage from the legal code entirely. If people want to go through some sort of ceremony and declare themselves married then that's fine, but that process shouldn't grant them any more legal rights or privileges than single peop…

> Government shouldn't be involved in marriage in the first place. A better solution would be to eliminate civil marriage from the legal code entirely. If people want to go through some sort of ceremony and declare themselves married then that's fine, but that process shouldn't grant them any more legal rights or privileges than single people

That doesn't make much sense. So in order to get basic rights that come out of marriage/civil union like hospital visits, power of attorney, inheritance, child support, alimony, splitting assets and children in case of divorce etc. one would need to involve lawyers and sign one-off contracts that cover everything? Sounds like a collosal waste of time and money.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by emerged »

anon9001 wrote: post #130

This is the n'th tech company today that's made an announcement similar to this. Even Disney is going to transport workers to abortion-legal states as needed as "health benefit". It's certainly a perk and good on Google for this one, but we're headed to a dark place if your best shot at human rights is to retain employment by a big tech company.

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