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Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by koyote »

nyx wrote: post #274
stormbrew wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d be really interested in an “i used both” comparison between esxi’s free offering and proxmox for this sort of purpose. I imagine esxi might be more polished, but also more limited.

I've used both, though not for anything especially complicated. Your guess about the polish level is correct; ESXi blows Proxmox out of the water interface-wise, especially for some specific tasks like configuring networks or managing PCI passthrough devices. As far as "more limited" goes, I can't say I noticed much of a feature discrepancy, although being open and just sitting atop KVM, Proxmox doesn't have any of t…

> One pretty big one, if you're looking at homelab use, is that Proxmox is just Debian, so it's waaaay more likely to run on crap-tier commodity hardware

That was my first (and last) hurdle when wanting to try out ESXi...

I booted up the installer only to be greeted by a "not enough RAM" message. I believe it's 4GB minimum, which my tiny machine had, but ESXi read it as 3.9GB instead of 4.0GB and refused to budge.

Very happy with Proxmox on the other hand! Having access to the underlying Debian is also quite nice if you need to do something that's not supported by the interface.

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by magundu »

vkat wrote: post #196

For anyone who doesn't know, VMware has doubled down in open source in the past 3 years, especially Kubernetes. I don't think Broadcom really understands how investment in open source works or for that matter cares. Half of my org of ~500 engineers works on upstream projects. Disclaimer: Current employee of VMware

What does the upstream means?

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by moneywoes »

numlocked wrote: post #167
sbf501 wrote: post #143

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Grove.co is a great example because it is totally not a software company. Is your role as CTO primarily the ERP & storefront, or just one or the other? I'm not following what you mean by endpoint (other than "storefront" because ERP would all be a SaaS right?)

Storefront. We have our own headless e-commerce platform, with iOS, Android, and Web clients. We also have our own order management system that mediates between storefront and our ERP (which is commercial SaaS). And a handful of other smaller applications for everything from outbound carrier rate card testing, to customer service tooling & automation (integrated with ZenDesk) and all sorts of other bits and bobs like…

What deems the ERP necessary that you can't do custom?

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by monocasa »

rrdharan wrote: post #345
monocasa wrote: post #232

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Did they ever stop blatantly violating the GPL in ESX? Taking driver code out of Linux and just running it inside the hypervisor has to be the most brazen violations possible.

How do you propose banning this while permitting open source drivers for Windows? I understand why you might want to, I just don’t understand what the rule would be.

The key is in "derived from". Very few people would say NT is derived from some random drivers that nobody at Microsoft had a hand in writing. Taking existing code and having it form the foundation of a new kernel and claiming it as all closed source is quite a bit more obviously derived from that existing code open source code. "Derived from" is the core concept in the GPL; it actually doesn't use the word "link" at all.

Additionally they didn't publish the source to even the GPLed drivers they shipped as binaries, before even talking about the core hypervisor itself.

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by edgyquant »

TMWNN wrote: post #334
rsync wrote: post #307

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Fascinating … your very comprehensive list does not contain the only VMware products I have ever cared about: workstation and fusion.

You run a well-known online backup company and I don't, but my reaction was exactly the same: The only VMware products I've ever cared about are Workstation and Fusion, neither of which is on the list. On the one hand, it's pretty cool that VMware has pivoted so successfully over the past 15 years from being solely focused on a hypervisor (or, I suppose in modern terminology, "self-hosted cloud") business that the cl…

> a well-known online backup company and I don't

What’s up with this? Did their company steal the name of the tool rsync?

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by reiichiroh »

manwe150 wrote: post #357
rsync wrote: post #307

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Fascinating … your very comprehensive list does not contain the only VMware products I have ever cared about: workstation and fusion.

I think both of those are free now for consumer usage, for at least a couple years now?

No not the Pro versions still

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by nunez »

RajT88 wrote: post #353
awill wrote: post #266

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What does "They are selling it in a big way" mean? I've never heard of it, and neither have any of the software engineers who are next to me at the office. RedHat OpenShift also bombed. They had a great start 11 years ago, but then didn't innovate, and worse, released a 2.0 that wasn't backward compatible. They used the 2.0 release as an excuse to kick off all free plans. What a joke. There's a reason Red Hat isn't a…

I have customers running Tanzu. It is slick, but niche. Incredibly rock solid - in ways K8S is not - and you pay for it. It is on its way out as a product.

Tanzu is a loaded term :) Are you talking about TAS (ex PCF) or TKG?

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by unixhero »

nyx wrote: post #274
stormbrew wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d be really interested in an “i used both” comparison between esxi’s free offering and proxmox for this sort of purpose. I imagine esxi might be more polished, but also more limited.

I've used both, though not for anything especially complicated. Your guess about the polish level is correct; ESXi blows Proxmox out of the water interface-wise, especially for some specific tasks like configuring networks or managing PCI passthrough devices. As far as "more limited" goes, I can't say I noticed much of a feature discrepancy, although being open and just sitting atop KVM, Proxmox doesn't have any of t…

Proxmox also has native container workload virtualization with LXC container support built right in and ZFS filesystem. Two killer features.

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by system2 »

gmassman wrote: post #315
spaintech wrote: post #234

I have a very different view on this purchase, and I f my thesis is right, then it just might be the best move ever ( Michael Dell has certainly won again with this deal.) Here is my vie, VMware has become the OS of the private cloud. Sure Linux based, but from an enterprise perspective, VMWAre is closer to the HW than any other OS. Considering that Broadcom is a HW company, and that they are looking to fend off Qual…

Who's Tim?

I believe he meant "Time will tell". Or Tim can come and tell us, up to Tim.
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