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Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by grrraal »

thomasfedb wrote: post #251
chmod600 wrote: post #232

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"please let us live our lives... not a lot more to it" But there is more to it. There are issues about women's sports, public education, the ethics of irreversible medical procedures on minors without an objective diagnosis, etc. You explicitly avoided the controversy, and it's not really fair to do that.

I do really think that what most trans activists (and most trans people) want is "please let us live our lives". That said, I'm in Australia, and maybe things are really different wherever you are. Of course, "live our lives" includes trans kids being able to live their lives too, being safe at their school, etc. And trans people should be able to play sport if they like, it's a healthy thing to do. As far as social…

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Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by dragonwriter »

rendall wrote: post #359
resoluteteeth wrote: post #317

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> This is just a terrible, terrible argument, that leads to a continual ratcheting up and broadening of the definition of "transphobia". > Transphobia should mean only "fear or hatred of trans people". > What it comes to mean, however: questioning self-identification, questioning trans women in women's sports, questioning trans women in women's spaces, questioning the use of puberty blockers in young children, among…

> rights that you, as a cis person, are willing to give them? The problem with these particular "rights" is that they are not actually rights, but impositions on the rights of others. It's disingenuous to compare being trans to race or being gay. Race and orientation is an immutable characteristic of the person. As yet, gender dysmorphia is recognized as a mental illness, which requires therapy, hormones and surgery…

> Race and orientation is an immutable characteristic of the person.

That is no more true that it is of gender identity.

> As yet, gender dysmorphia is recognized as a mental illness

So was homosexuality (also, you’ve confused dysphoria with dysmorphia. Also also, the diagnosable condition of gender dysphoria is not the same thing as having transgender identity; they are distinct.)

> which requires therapy, hormones and surgery to accommodate or treat.

People often get therapy, hormonal treatments, and surgery to deal with the failure of their body to conform to their image of their gender assigned at birth, but we don't call the need for these things a “mental illness” or gatekeep access to gender affirming treatments aligned with gender assigned at birth on distress reaching the dangerous levels that would be diagnosable as a mental illness.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by grrraal »

nautilius wrote: post #320
PolygonSheep wrote: post #252

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> Again, the only 'accommodation' that is asked is to just let them live. Seems like not a hard thing to do, and not something one would have to go out of their way of to 'push back against'. But OP is letting them live. Unless you are alleging OP is running around killing trans people??

OP is making no statement about what they do, only that they find it reasonable to push back against that simple wish of the trans community.

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Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by rendall »

dragonwriter wrote: post #362
rendall wrote: post #359

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> rights that you, as a cis person, are willing to give them? The problem with these particular "rights" is that they are not actually rights, but impositions on the rights of others. It's disingenuous to compare being trans to race or being gay. Race and orientation is an immutable characteristic of the person. As yet, gender dysmorphia is recognized as a mental illness, which requires therapy, hormones and surgery…

> Race and orientation is an immutable characteristic of the person. That is no more true that it is of gender identity. > As yet, gender dysmorphia is recognized as a mental illness So was homosexuality (also, you’ve confused dysphoria with dysmorphia. Also also, the diagnosable condition of gender dysphoria is not the same thing as having transgender identity; they are distinct.) > which requires therapy, hormones…

I don't think you have argued very well, here. Just minimally addressed some points, ignored others.

>> Race and orientation is an immutable characteristic of the person.

> That is no more true that it is of gender identity.

Not an argument. Clever rejoinders will not convince people that mentally ill men should be in women's prisons or sports teams. You will have to actually engage with the concerns that people have. How do you deal with self-identification and predatory men going into women's locker rooms? Just denying that it could ever happen is not going to work.

>> As yet, gender dysmorphia is recognized as a mental illness

> So was homosexuality

Not an argument. Declassifying homosexuality as a mental illness does not mean gender dysphoria is not.

As for the rest, we literally do call that behavior mental illness.

I'm fine with people doing whatever they want with their own bodies as long as their behavior doesn't impact other people.

Taking female hormones, great. Taking female hormones and then insisting that everyone else perceive them as women is not.

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Post by foogazi »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #310
rendall wrote: post #141

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> if you’re not trans you may not understand transphobia very well but it’s similar to white people saying they don’t think something is racist This is just a terrible, terrible argument, that leads to a continual ratcheting up and broadening of the definition of "transphobia". Transphobia should mean only "fear or hatred of trans people". What it comes to mean, however: questioning self-identification, questioning t…

> > if you’re not trans you may not understand transphobia very well but it’s similar to white people saying they don’t think something is racist > This is just a terrible, terrible argument, that leads to a continual ratcheting up and broadening of the definition of "transphobia". I don’t follow. While people not understanding racism is a very real phenomenon caused by the fact that white people in the USA are the d…

> It makes sense that non white people would be better judges of racism than many white people.

I don’t get this

Racism is a clearly defined concept - from Oxford dictionary:

1. prejudice, discrimination or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular ethnic group

2. the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

Why do you think some races are better than others at judging racism ?

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by foogazi »

thomasfedb wrote: post #256
renox wrote: post #245

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Discrimination is a fuzzy word.. Is-it discrimination to forbid trans-women to participate in the same sports category as bio-women?

A blanket ban would be I think. Having a blanket ban demonstrates that you are judging transgender people on their transgender status alone, rather than making an evidence-based assessment of whether a particular athlete has an unfair advantage. The International Olympic Committee, for example, has a framework for precisely this (you can read it here, it's pretty easy going: https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Docume…

> A blanket ban would be I think.

There is a blanket ban on men participating in women’s sports - is that discrimination ?

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by virgildotcodes »

antifa wrote: post #340
virgildotcodes wrote: post #330

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I mean, if you want to give his point a generous interpretation, replace murder with bullying/alienation/etc. Seems rational that in a less hostile environment, a greater percentage of LGBTQ people would feel more comfortable exploring their sexuality and coming out as such.

> if you want to give his point a generous interpretation No need to be generous, it's a centuries long historic fact. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people

I agree. I just thought I’d sidestep any potential debate and reiterate the heart of the matter which should be impossible for anyone to deny.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by rendall »

foogazi wrote: post #365
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #310

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> > if you’re not trans you may not understand transphobia very well but it’s similar to white people saying they don’t think something is racist > This is just a terrible, terrible argument, that leads to a continual ratcheting up and broadening of the definition of "transphobia". I don’t follow. While people not understanding racism is a very real phenomenon caused by the fact that white people in the USA are the d…

> It makes sense that non white people would be better judges of racism than many white people. I don’t get this Racism is a clearly defined concept - from Oxford dictionary: 1. prejudice, discrimination or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular ethnic group 2. the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to…

I have had black friends point out incidents of anti-Black racism to me that I definitely hadn't seen before, but I have as often had black friends perceive racism where definitely none existed, and black friends who did not see it where it definitely did. It happens enough, that I think only people who don't have much interaction with different races and classes would believe that only black people can tell what racism is. People have all degrees of sensitivity, empathy, perceptivity and hair-trigger paranoia; sometimes in the same person.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by pdimitar »

UncleMeat wrote: post #339
pdimitar wrote: post #332

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Or maybe the LGBT people need to cite proper research before bringing these classes to school? You know, with a proper process and peer reviews and all the good stuff. Nobody should get a free pass to put any new classes to school before they prove a benefit. The burden of proof should fall to them, not on me who's skeptical.

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And you're a living proof of how they misconstrue things to always be the victim. Have a good one.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by curtisblaine »

badwolf wrote: post #336
gnlad wrote: post #135

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There is a lot more. You are forced to list pronouns, declare your gender at conferences, read daily articles about trans people in all major newspapers. Prospective Supreme court justices have to delegate the definition of "woman" to a biologist. And you'll be called transphobic at the slightest infraction of the ever growing set of rules. The whole rainbow movement exists to gain positions, money and power and to h…

When exactly have you been forced to list your pronouns?

At work you often are. For example, many top tech employers force you to add your pronouns on your mail signature.
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