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EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Why? It's the most efficient use of resources and allows for some great cultural and public infrastructure to exist that just doesn't make sense without density.

Just because it is most efficient, does not mean it is enjoyable or that the life in such a hive isn't missing some qualities.

If you don’t find it enjoyable you’re welcome to not move there. Why try to ban it for everyone else?

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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post #242

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Keep in mind that comp for Dutch software developers is probably an order of magnitude lower than what you can get in the US.

That and it’s a fairly racist place in my experience so don’t bother if you think that would affect you.

I think your racism meter is mis-calibrated. Sure, the Dutch are a bit funny about all the Turks in the country, but I find their racism against the Turks to be way lower than say a lot of Americans' racism against Hispanics.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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The problem with hashes is, that you cannot prove what the original image was without actually getting caught with csam. So basically, a whistleblower takes photos of some very incriminating documents, someone gets accused of eg. money laundering, hashes of those images get added to the "csam" database, and you find the first person (via metadata) who had that image on their phone. Also, in some more repressive count…

But would the system not insist images are hashed by it? I mean; I would think it’s not a weird demand that if this is to protect children (which it is not, at least not only) that the image hashes are solely for that purpose or otherwise not valid and thrown out by at least an AI. I know it’s naive but it seems you want the image with the hash and if someone gets flagged and it’s some money laundering doc, then it s…

The hashes are likely provided by some outside agency who is fine with transferring the hashes, but would have qualms about transferring multi-petabytes of the matching CSAM images.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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It's scary, because CSAM (child sexual abuse material) is very, very broad, and quite vague in its definition¹. My three year old son stayed with my parents for a week, and he was being taught to swim in their swimming pool. Of course, I get sent pictures and clips of his progress by a proud grandma, and of course, him being a toddler, he felt swimming trunks to be completely optional (and of course, they are at his…

> and nudism of any minor can be seen as CSAM if the pose they strike can be construed as 'erotic' So we're now expected to teach our kids what erotic poses are so they know not to accidentally do that during family pics, lest daddy or mommy wind up in jail? The future is fucked up.

If you look at the history of litigation of nudism magazines in the 80s and 90s it is exactly that. Some magazines were allowed in, some were banned and the owners imprisoned because a judge said that some of the photos weren't candid or casual enough.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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I don't think this proposal is quite enough, we can do better to protect the children. The homes of the people who champion this proposal should be thoroughly searched for child abuse materials every week . Naturally, their personal electronic devices should be taken for analysis. I understand this may cause them some inconvenience, but think of the children!

Given the cost of child birth in the developed world it would be quite economical to send each child home from the hospital with a government video monitor which must be kept in the room with them, to enable random (and ML) surveillance, just to make sure they're not getting molested, you know.

This is a good idea. To be safe against AI misfires, a government agent could be assigned to watch each child 24x7 wherever they are, whatever they are doing: sleeping, eating, bathing, using the restroom, etc. That way there is no chance of missing any possibility they are abused.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Why? It's the most efficient use of resources and allows for some great cultural and public infrastructure to exist that just doesn't make sense without density.

It’s disgusting, that’s why. People stacked on each other living in shared filth breathing each other’s farts and hearing noise all the time… not to mention the obvious problem of how diseases spread in tight quarters.

If your idea of modern architecture is based on a slum maybe you should travel more.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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post #172

Isn't this an insanely stupid idea? Doesn't it open the door to a new type of ransomware - pay up, or we'll flood your devices with CSAM and submit a tip about it?

This isn't a theoretical case. I had this happen with regularity, and I'm sure many others have too.

I ran an online business and one of my competitors hired someone to constantly email PayPal and tell them I was selling CSAM. PayPal has literally no option other than to instantly lock your account against all transactions. Luckily I was putting so much money through PayPal I had my own account manager, but they still have a script they have to work through where they have to go through every part of your web site to make sure the report is false before they can open your account back up, which takes 3-7 days on average.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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post #341

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I keep posting this objection on every single one of these articles. It is weird how supposedly techno-savvy people can't spot how easy this would be. But I'd think it would look more like an alternative to murder-for-hire when ruining someone else's life and throwing them in jail would be sufficient. Get someone else to pay reasonably big money to actually do it and not just threaten it. This may have happened alrea…

Well yes, that's what I though 20 years ago. But I've never seen a report of actual framing of someone via CSAM. gung-ho police mistaking innocent nude kid pics, yes. Criminalisation of sexting by teenagers, yes. But framing? Haven't seen it reported. There are two reasons I guess. One is that pedophilia is the epitome of evil in our society and even career criminals would find handling CSAM off putting and risky. Th…

Not framing, but similar:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31356661

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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So it seems that no one should use anymore any "digital", e.g. mobile, mail or whatever "over the wire" way of communication. I was always worried about communicating that has any surveillance. My own stuff should be my own things. We should use older way of communication between us on daily basis and just occasionally use the "over the digital media" communication for quick agreement on person to person or person to group meetings. Anyway, all this gone so far that we really do not need digital way of communication, sharing things. The things like Facebook are crap. The peoples are not digital, they are physical beings and the way we should interact is out of the "digital world".
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