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Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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That, plus fanatically good NAT Traversal: https://tailscale.com/blog/how-nat-traversal-works/

But isn't that just part of Wireguard itself? In the end that's what's happening in my case when I exchange data through Wireguard between my flat and the one of my parents... .

No, wireguard is just the VPN itself.

The NAT traversal stuff is all magic that happens before the socket is given to wireguard.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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Just FYI, when you create a CA cert or sign certs with nebula-cert you can specify a -duration. Which I know doesn't help you after the fact, but it might help someone going forward.

Very good to know! I did learn this and used 10 year certs/ca when my originals expired... as will presumably most of the other people who didn't fully grok the implications of the defaults :)

We need to do a better job of this and I'm really sorry you had a not-great experience with expiration. Totally agree with your take.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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You haven't proved me wrong, you just said I am wrong.

I don't have to prove you wrong, I'm not making an assertion. It's on you to prove that your assertion is correct, and you have nothing more than your opinion backing you up.

The idea of "you have something permanently static that identifies what is yours" on the internet that never goes away, and it runs through a corporation's server, that supposedly is marketed as "fixing the internet"... do you really think this sounds good?

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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From their privacy policy: > The personal information we collect, use, and disclose includes business contact information such as names, job titles, and company email addresses, as well as information about individual devices (such as device hardware and operating system) and aggregated usage statistics (such as amount of data transmitted in a period of time).

> Your personal information will be transferred ... to certain third parties that provide services on our behalf.

> We use service providers to provide services such as ... data analysis to better understand and improve product and website usage, and providing advertising and marketing services.

:/

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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As long as you don't need to share any of your services with non-Tailscale users. Otherwise you'll need to set up some sort of public server.

But you can also try to get them to be Tailscale users and effortlessly share the devices with access control features they built. I share my home servers and game servers with family/friends easily while still keeping everything off the public internet.

But now your friends and family are locked into a proprietary system, subject to whatever the future incentives of Tailscale end up being. How many people can you connect on the free plan?

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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What other benefits are there? I use a PiHole to block ads on my phone already, but I do it via a PiHole installed on an EC2 instance that I also use as an IRC bouncer and other things.

It’s pretty similar as far as how it works for you. It may be cheaper to VPN to home vs a cloud server, and you may avoid issues where sites block AWS. You can also securely forward other ports. Sometimes I print or access other services in my house that aren’t internet safe.

I have the PiHole VPN configured so that only DNS lookups go through it. All other traffic is not tunneled. It means I don't get billed for several gigabytes of traffic from AWS and my traffic doesn't come from an AWS IP, but I still get all the ad-blocking benefits of a PiHole.

At home on my desktop, I just use uBlock Origin in my browser.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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First - congratulations! I like the idea behind your product. Easily configured VPN tunnels are something I enjoy having.

But, and I'm probably just shouting into the void at this point, relying upon your network being secured as a method of securing your office/product will only result in heartache.

If you're a company SEO or similar trying to protect your company from threats, your first assumption must be "the network is compromised" no matter whether it's on the internet, or VPN tunnels, or firewalled local network.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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Tailscale's CEO has been tweeting a series of "rejected headlines" for their fundraising announcement. They're pretty funny. I thought the HN crowd would like this one: > Tailscale raises $100M to do what any Hacker News reader could have done in a weekend [0] [0] https://twitter.com/apenwarr/status/1521873453921583105?cxt=...

Makes me miss n-gate.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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post #83

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I haven't really felt like 1Password's product materially strayed from the original mission. If anything, I'm even more delighted with the team functionality, shared vaults, quick keyboard access in 1Password 8, etc. I wouldn't put them in the Dropbox bucket. Also, I think the value Tailscale provides is fairly unique and far from obviously a platform feature like file storage and perhaps even password management.

1Password went from being buy once upgrade forever to SaaS. A lot of folks bought back when that was the package (and business model) so it's viewed relatively negatively here from some folks. I don't blame them, but also, I think 1Password is a success. I just don't think they'd have been viable under their original business model.

That happened long before they took outside money, so it’s not related.

Re: Tailscale raises $100M

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But is "buy once, upgrade forever" really a viable long term business model?

I dunno, but you ought to figure it out (for your business) before you make that offer!

Why? 1PW is succeeding. They didn’t do some huge moral quandary either that would make stopping the one time buying product a moral failing. People like the first commenter and myself have used 1PW for many years too and are fine with what has gone down.

Vs a clear moral screw up like the big tech companies colluding to not hire one another’s employees.

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