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>Yes, and when you go shopping and pay with cash in a store with no surveillance, your shopping habits are being shared against your wishes with a random third party (the external company bookkeeper). How, you don't enter your name when you pay with cash. Also in EU is illegal to share any personal info in physical world too, say you go and make a subscription to a gym they can't share your data with a third party un…
On the other hand, it's perfectly legal (and usual practice) to contract out the operation of people counting devices that just tally up how many persons go through a door. (By the way, a gym can and usually does share contract data including personal information with numerous third-parties such as external bookkeepers. This is legal under the GDPR without explicit consent.)
Why is it legal, does the gym need those 100 contractors to know my data for it to work? What are those for 100 different accountants? How did gyms or other businesses worked before the internet, did a guy walked to 100 different locations with papers in hand so those "partners" take a quick look?
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Who's concerned about Google collecting data? No.
Surely that is to do with her knowledge and education around privacy and data collection. Ignorance to the issue doesn’t mean we should ignore people like this.
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Yes, and when you go shopping and pay with cash in a store with no surveillance, your shopping habits are being shared against your wishes with a random third party (the external company bookkeeper). It's disingenuous to have problems with websites collecting entirely anonymous browsing data -- that goes beyond any arguments for privacy and just steers into "yelling at clouds" territory.
> shopping habits I think you are wrong. What they receive is a set of purchases in a given period of time that allow them to make many important decisions (when people buy most, what purchases are more likely on a given date etc.) but there is no way of finding out my shopping habits.
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Yes, and when you go shopping and pay with cash in a store with no surveillance, your shopping habits are being shared against your wishes with a random third party (the external company bookkeeper). It's disingenuous to have problems with websites collecting entirely anonymous browsing data -- that goes beyond any arguments for privacy and just steers into "yelling at clouds" territory.
>Yes, and when you go shopping and pay with cash in a store with no surveillance, your shopping habits are being shared against your wishes with a random third party (the external company bookkeeper). How, you don't enter your name when you pay with cash. Also in EU is illegal to share any personal info in physical world too, say you go and make a subscription to a gym they can't share your data with a third party un…
You don't need to be identified by name, just by a "fingerprint". If you go there regularly you will be identified by your "fingerprint".
"Oh, it's that one privacy nut again who always wears sunglasses and a hoodie and only pays in cash"
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Potentially, yes, though this hasn't been tested in court yet.
Wouldn't that cut off a vast swath of the internet from France though ? Some of the main big providers of internet services use US based data centres. I'm meaning: * Amazon * Google * Facebook * Netflix * Microsoft * Twitter * Uber I mean the list goes on but these are a really big part of the internet.
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Indeed, a French website which keeps private information about its users must not - ethically, morally - use US services which are accessible to US intelligence agencies. That is irrespective of any legislation or court rulings, it's just common sense.
I wonder who are people more afraid of exposing their private information to: the USA or their own government.
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You're within your rights to create and offer whatever kind of service you want. As an end-user, however, any data what-so-ever sent to a 3rd party without my knowledge or consent is too much. There is no such thing as "the right amount." I'm OK with websites using self-hosted tools such as Matomo as long as the data never leaves their servers. Analytics is important to any business. But I choose to do business with…
>as long as the data never leaves their servers This is kind of ridiculous in the cloud era, isn't it? The analogy with external accountant up this thread is a good one. It's not about where data are processed, it's about how it's used.
But I agree with your conclusion: what matters is how it's being used. In this case - whether you share/sell it to others or not.*
[*] But not only: it also matters if you take adequate care in protecting personally identifiable information or not.
Is anyone using an alternative that provides some basic analytics and isn't likely to get me in legal hot water in the future? I've already offloaded Google Fonts due to the German ruling. I'm happy to self-host piwik if needed, but could that fall foul of regulators?
> I've already offloaded Google Fonts due to the German ruling. I'm happy to self-host piwik if needed, but could that fall foul of regulators? Well... if you self-host Piwik or Matomo, you're relatively safe and you can avoid a lot of the bureaucracy bullshit that you'd have with external services. However, check with a lawyer before setting it up, and definitely get user consent for detailed tracking. There are bas…
If the web-page's javascript ONLY stores and processes data stored in the client's localStorage to generate the local page, and sends nothing back to the server, so the web-site operator never sees that data, then is the web-site operator processing that data, or is it only the user-agent's operator ?
The web-site operator certainly wouldn't be a "data controller" since it isn't collecting or storing the data. And it's hard to see how the web-site operator would be a "data processor" in that circumstance.
Is anyone using an alternative that provides some basic analytics and isn't likely to get me in legal hot water in the future? I've already offloaded Google Fonts due to the German ruling. I'm happy to self-host piwik if needed, but could that fall foul of regulators?
> I've already offloaded Google Fonts due to the German ruling. I'm happy to self-host piwik if needed, but could that fall foul of regulators? Well... if you self-host Piwik or Matomo, you're relatively safe and you can avoid a lot of the bureaucracy bullshit that you'd have with external services. However, check with a lawyer before setting it up, and definitely get user consent for detailed tracking. There are bas…