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Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by dheera »

sneak wrote: post #268
dheera wrote: post #266

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Fair, but do people actually do this? Is there a $100/mo closet I can rent for that purpose or does it have to be $500/mo bedroom? What's the smallest one can go?

People actually do this. Do you really think wealthy people (who are naturally at risk of kidnapping, extortion, blackmail, threats against family, etc) have their driver's license address pointing to the place where their children sleep at night? The DMV gives those records in bulk to third parties. It's as good as public. Additionally, every dumbfuck services vendor from a gym to a daycare to a doctor's office will…

$400/mo invested in some shitcoins and NFTs could easily make you more than $10k/year.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by bawolff »

zainhoda wrote: post #297
radicaldreamer wrote: post #138

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It's also designed to make sure that poorer people who don't have stable, permanent housing have a tough time

I think the mechanism is indirect. After 9/11, Congress wanted to make it difficult to falsify IDs. The optimization was to maximize the probability that an ID is real and correct if an ID is presented to board a plane. Unfortunately there’s was no constraint that the process shouldn’t prevent people from getting IDs or make it easy. Poor people don’t have enough of a voice for Congress to care. Poor people are exclu…

I'm pretty sure terrorists have access to both printers and the gimp. Requiring a mailed bill seems like it would only hinder people who are honest. I highly doubt terrorists are opposed to lying.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by stjohnswarts »

zainhoda wrote: post #297
radicaldreamer wrote: post #138

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It's also designed to make sure that poorer people who don't have stable, permanent housing have a tough time

I think the mechanism is indirect. After 9/11, Congress wanted to make it difficult to falsify IDs. The optimization was to maximize the probability that an ID is real and correct if an ID is presented to board a plane. Unfortunately there’s was no constraint that the process shouldn’t prevent people from getting IDs or make it easy. Poor people don’t have enough of a voice for Congress to care. Poor people are exclu…

Apathy is the same as malice when done by politicians who are supposed to represent everyone, not just the 1% in their district/city/state

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by kergonath »

taxyz23 wrote: post #343
zainhoda wrote: post #297

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I think the mechanism is indirect. After 9/11, Congress wanted to make it difficult to falsify IDs. The optimization was to maximize the probability that an ID is real and correct if an ID is presented to board a plane. Unfortunately there’s was no constraint that the process shouldn’t prevent people from getting IDs or make it easy. Poor people don’t have enough of a voice for Congress to care. Poor people are exclu…

Actually poor people are well represented. Witness the trillions of dollars of debt the US is in, the countless duplicative entitlement programs subsidizing food, health care, housing, schooling, etc. Politicians don't get elected unless they give other people's money away to those who don't have it and the poor by definition do not have money to give away but they do vote. Sometimes like here a minor fraud preventio…

> Witness the trillions of dollars of debt the US is in,

Why do you assume that this debt went to the poor? There is quite a bit of evidence of welfare for the wealthy and large companies.

> the countless duplicative entitlement programs subsidizing food, health care, housing, schooling, etc.

Any figure for this? No mention of the stupidly large military spending or tax breaks?

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by kergonath »

taxyz23 wrote: post #348
gridspy wrote: post #315

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I concur that the GP was a bit dramatic in their use of the term "Slave," but they raised a valid point. Voter suppression is a real thing in the United States. It's a strategy often used to hold and retain power by the minority (often richer, privileged) party See https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-vot... > Suppression efforts range from the seemingly unobstructive, like strict voter ID laws an…

Purging voter lists is not suppression unless you view dead people or those who have moved out of the voting jurisdiction on the voting rolls as legitimate voters. No different than a company purging email or address lists of outdated names

> unless you view dead people or those who have moved out of the voting jurisdiction on the voting rolls as legitimate voters

Unless the purge is over-enthusiastic, with unrealistically high barriers to re-entry. It’s not a problem for someone who has all the documents and the time to jump through all the hoops (or someone to do it for them), and a sympathetic administration with an office close enough that you can go there without taking a day off. Assuming you have days off at all. It’s quite harder otherwise. The result is a disproportionally large fraction of “undesirables” (poor and living in specific areas) being disenfranchised.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by kergonath »

standardUser wrote: post #323
dijonman2 wrote: post #282

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I can’t help but see this as some sort of propaganda. Where’s the evidence this is a concerted effort against poor people? You can’t do much in life without ID.

"You can’t do much in life without ID." This is a common belief that, to me, displays a serious lack of knowledge of the breadth of human experience. It should not be hard to imagine how people who are some combination of very sick, old, lonely, disabled or poor can have their ID expire and then not get a new one for year after year. Yet people seem to constantly proclaim this as unthinkable or nonsensical, as if onl…

Some countries make it work. The key is to make the mandatory IDs free and easy to obtain. It’s not that difficult. When I need to renew my ID here in I need a 20 minutes appointment, any document can be printed there so there is no issue with pdf and no need to fake a mail. Nothing to pay as well.

For the driver’s licence it was even easier, I just had to upload a photo and a pdf bill as a proof of address on a government web server, and I had it in the mail 3 weeks later.

Voting is a fundamental right. If you are going to require IDs for it, it follows that IDs are a fundamental right, and making them arbitrarily difficult to obtain is capricious, discriminatory and should be considered unconstitutional in a sane democracy.

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Post by kergonath »

ctoth wrote: post #306
scarby2 wrote: post #243

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> There's no good reason anyone would intentionally want to keep the poor poor, it's just bad design. We need people to feel pressured into doing shitty jobs, if the poor get less poor maybe they won't flip burgers for minimum wage.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just push forward with the robot thing rather than some decades-long (Real ID started in 2005 or 6) super-complicated social engineering project? If the goal is find a way to ensure burgers are flipped and toilets cleaned, wouldn't the rational idea be to invest in robotics and involuntary birth control technology, not try to ride herd on a giant mob of poor people who might turn on their "m…

> Wouldn't it be cheaper to just push forward with the robot thing rather than some decades-long (Real ID started in 2005 or 6) super-complicated social engineering project?

It’s not super complicated, it’s just the natural consequence of an elite in power wanting to stay that way. You can see it as some kind of class behaviour. It has been going on since as far back as we can see, e.g. in Ancient Greek and Roman societies. People are being replaced by robots, as soon as it makes financial sense. This itself is really not new, and has caused issues since the start of the industrial revolution (see the various textile labourers strikes over the last 2 or 3 centuries).

> If you were optimizing the world and were actually evil, wouldn't the world look a whole lot different than the uncoordinated mess we have today?

It’s uncoordinated because it isn’t actually a large conspiracy by a couple of evil masters of the world. It’s a result of everyone in a position of power acting it their own self interest over time.

> Why do "we" need people to feel pressured to do anything when frankly it's just easier to rule without a giant underclass you have to constantly fear?

Mechanisation has been a more and more realistic strategy, but this is very recent. You still need people to make stuff. Also, “the underclass” is not going to disappear on its own.

> It actively feels like everybody is looking for someone to blame for the state of the world when really the world is just the result of a whole bunch of people with a whole bunch of different hopes, plans, and dreams, many of which you might possibly disagree with.

Exactly. That, and the fact that some people’s hopes and dreams depend on them exploiting other people.

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Post by quickthrower2 »

lucb1e wrote: post #325
quickthrower2 wrote: post #310

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A4 is the issue. Mobile friendly pdfs could be done, just stick bigger text on each page like a kindle does.

But then you have super narrow views on desktop, we don't want that either. What's wrong with just using the formats we already have for reflowable text, why bother trying to make PDF into something it's fundamentally made not to do?

Yeah good point. I think it’s that adobe stranglehold. “Never got fired for…” kind of thing.

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Post by SecurityLagoon »

dheera wrote: post #267
sneak wrote: post #252

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Which doesn't fulfill the utility bill requirement.

Just get the utilities bills sent to your mailbox. At the very least you can definitely get your bank statements sent there ...

The utility bills for the utilities you don't have? The whole point is you don't have a fixed address that requires utilities.
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