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Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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This is really disturbing and it's disgusting how some companies out there act. We desperately need our leaders to address issues like this but they're all too busy pandering to and being lobbied by the very companies who are doing the abusing...

Let's generalize this statement - we desperately need leaders. Our current crew of so-called "leaders" are only interested in lining their pockets.

Careful. That sort of thing is endemic with leaders in general. A simple swap / "revert to mean" isn't going to help. It's like pressing the reset button on a smart TV where it just turns back on all the ads, lag, saturation, and edge detection filters that you spent hours figuring out how to disable when you first bought it.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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My Bosch fridge claimed it would notify if the door stayed open. I read that to me I’d get a native push notification after a time threshold I can set. That would be a very useful feature. Oh how foolish I was. No, it’s an app that requires a whole mess of registration. They better not email me a report card like this guy.

Does it at least give you warnings that don't involve the app? My parents don't have "smart" appliances, but their fridge chimes when the door is left open too long. And they have a freezer in their basement which latches on an indicator if the temperature inside went above freezing. Both useful ways of providing a warning without app bullshit.

Of course it does. I've recently purchase a new washer/dryer and a Bosch fridge. All three units have some kind of connectivity built in, but I just peeled off the stickers telling me how to connect and threw them in the trash. They work just like their old non-smart counterparts as far as I can tell.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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>> They can't always do what's best for the patient, only what the insurance company agrees with. > Because that is what the patient can afford. What is the point of paying for insurance, then? Nothing legitimizes for-profit insurance companies having any role or prerogative in health care, other than the status quo.

The point of insurance is to protect against unaffordable losses. An insurance business only works if the losses are, by and large, randomly distributed and unexpected. The more predictable the losses, the more an insurance offering resembles a payment plan where you are simply setting aside money with a third party to save for the eventual loss. This is because as losses become more probable, the insurance company h…

Apologies, I really didn't mean to make you rehearse for me how things work today. But I am curious about what your point of view is on whether the role for-profit health insurance providers play today is legitimate and salutory.

We have our current system largely as a result of regulatory capture, so no amount of pointing to the status quo and shrugging at its complexity legitimizes it. Again, I fail to see the legitimacy of a regime in which I must either pay a for-profit corporation for the privilege of preventing my doctor from doing what is in my own best interest or be wealthy enough to pay everything out of pocket.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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I have a semi-related anecdote about surprises from devices. I use a CPAP. After a year, I went back to the doctor for a followup, and was asked to bring the SD card so they could review the data it collects. The device records the times and duration of use, various settings, and some metrics on breathing (apnea events, etc). I knew it recorded this stuff on an SD card. I brought the card to the appointment, but the…

I was very fortunate to be warned about these CPAP woes and hassles by a friend who went through it before I did. His advice? If you think you might have sleep apnea, do NOT get diagnosed, just buy a CPAP machine second hand and see if it helps you feel better.

I did, and the CPAP helped a lot. Eventually I figured out that simply sleeping reclined (on a triagle pillow) actually gave me 90% of the benefits with 0% of the hassle of the mask though.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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that's really just physics. warm air gets in through the opened door, after closing it rapidly cools down, because air does not hold that much heat energy. Because it cools it contracts, which reduces the pressure inside the freezer, causing the outside air pressure to hold the door shut more firmly. No electromagnets or anything.

And it's a demonstration of just how much cold air is falling out when the door is opened. While less convenient, a chest freezer will do much better at holding the cold air even when opened.

While visiting rural northern Namibia, a Damara tribesman I was talking to asked me where I was from. Upon hearing that I was from a cold Northern part of the world, he commented that it must be great that half the year I didn't need to run my freezer.

I just stared at him, not knowing what to say. He stared back at me for a while and then started laughing. Then I realized he was screwing with me, and I just said, "Touche'".

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of insurance is to protect against unaffordable losses. An insurance business only works if the losses are, by and large, randomly distributed and unexpected. The more predictable the losses, the more an insurance offering resembles a payment plan where you are simply setting aside money with a third party to save for the eventual loss. This is because as losses become more probable, the insurance company h…

Apologies, I really didn't mean to make you rehearse for me how things work today. But I am curious about what your point of view is on whether the role for-profit health insurance providers play today is legitimate and salutory. We have our current system largely as a result of regulatory capture, so no amount of pointing to the status quo and shrugging at its complexity legitimizes it. Again, I fail to see the legi…

>Again, I fail to see the legitimacy of a regime in which I must either pay a for-profit corporation for the privilege of preventing my doctor from doing what is in my own best interest or be wealthy enough to pay everything out of pocket.

The "legitimacy" lies in the fact that that is what was politically possible to accomplish. I put legitimacy in quotes because I assume you mean legitimate in the context of some type of moral or ideological sense, which I do not find terribly interesting in this case, where there are many real world constraints at play.

At the very root of it all is the fact that demand for healthcare greatly dwarfs supply of healthcare, starting from the simple fact that changing bedpans is a highly undesirable task and going all the way to the fact that medicinal knowledge is very difficult and costly to acquire. And so politics will be involved in how healthcare is distributed.

You can even go back to your statement of

>from doing what is in my own best interest

99% of people have no idea how to evaluate what is in their own best interest when it comes to medicine. Even doctors outside of their specialty probably do not know, and the tiny minority that do would acknowledge that at some point they are also guessing at the machinations of something complex like the body.

The for profit (and not for profit) labeling is mostly a distraction. Doctors do not treat people without a profit, programmers do not program without a profit, and a managed care organization does not sell its services without a profit.

These 2 big constraints shape how much and what kind of healthcare system we can afford:

-low supply of healthcare relative to demand - requiring a system of allocation of resources

-medicine being extremely difficult and possibility of doctor making mistake or being corrupted requiring second opinion - i.e. doctors and pharmacists employed by managed care organizations

Obviously, everyone would love if everyone could get all the healthcare they could ever want at anytime they want. But our parameters do not allow for that. Back to the original question of why a for profit managed care organization needs to be involved at all? It does not, except politically, that was the solution the leaders agreed upon. I suspect politicians also like MCOs in the middle because it keeps the heat on the MCOs and deflects from them.

We could have gone the NHS way with taxpayer funded healthcare, and the NHS handling all the administrative functions that managed care organizations do. But there was significant political opposition to that, probably because a lot of politically influential classes stood to lose in that proposition. So we have what we have.

Note that to counteract excessive profit incentives, the ACA implemented minimum medical loss ratios and a healthcare exchange so that companies could compete for customers and hence have an incentive to keep premiums lower (presuming the existence of sufficient competing MCOs). Why not just cut all that out and let government deal with it? Because that is what was possible.

https://www.healthcare.gov/health-care-law-protections/rate-...

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Apologies, I really didn't mean to make you rehearse for me how things work today. But I am curious about what your point of view is on whether the role for-profit health insurance providers play today is legitimate and salutory. We have our current system largely as a result of regulatory capture, so no amount of pointing to the status quo and shrugging at its complexity legitimizes it. Again, I fail to see the legi…

>Again, I fail to see the legitimacy of a regime in which I must either pay a for-profit corporation for the privilege of preventing my doctor from doing what is in my own best interest or be wealthy enough to pay everything out of pocket. The "legitimacy" lies in the fact that that is what was politically possible to accomplish. I put legitimacy in quotes because I assume you mean legitimate in the context of some t…

> The "legitimacy" lies in the fact that that is what was politically possible to accomplish.

Regulatory capture[0] narrowed the possible to only solutions involving for-profit health insurance corporations. If you don't find a form of corruption to be of interest here, I'd be especially interested to know why.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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I have a semi-related anecdote about surprises from devices. I use a CPAP. After a year, I went back to the doctor for a followup, and was asked to bring the SD card so they could review the data it collects. The device records the times and duration of use, various settings, and some metrics on breathing (apnea events, etc). I knew it recorded this stuff on an SD card. I brought the card to the appointment, but the…

I was very fortunate to be warned about these CPAP woes and hassles by a friend who went through it before I did. His advice? If you think you might have sleep apnea, do NOT get diagnosed, just buy a CPAP machine second hand and see if it helps you feel better. I did, and the CPAP helped a lot. Eventually I figured out that simply sleeping reclined (on a triagle pillow) actually gave me 90% of the benefits with 0% of…

It's valuable to have a doctor who can help you diagnose the problem and get the machine set correctly; technicians who can help with mask fitting and explain proper usage and maintenance; and followups to monitor effects. Some people might be able to manage those things on their own, and I certainly feel that people who already saw a doctor and own a CPAP should be able to manage their care if nothing changes.

I don't think it's good advice to self-diagnose, buy used equipment, and hope you get it right. CPAP quality degrades over time, for one. Some people might benefit from a CPAP, but really need a more complex and expensive machine like a BiPAP. Some people have central sleep apnea rather than obstructive sleep apnea. Some people would be better off with surgery or implanted devices. These are not things one should be figuring out on one's own.

If none of that is convincing, in the US it's illegal to sell a CPAP to someone without a prescription. I honestly don't care about that part, and if I knew how to order a new CPAP directly (perhaps from Canada or something), I would personally do it and skip the doctors entirely, but I don't think it's good advice, especially before you're properly diagnosed.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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I got a Samsung fridge recently, our first "french door" fridge. The mechanism that keeps the space between the doors sealed has failed often enough (keeping the left door open) that I've actually been thankful for "the fridge has been open for a few minutes" push notifications.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Ah, I get the same urge using Google Maps on my phone. Want to reach through the screen and slap the developers. So slow, so many key presses. So often it changes something up so I have to re-learn. So often it makes wild guesses that are completely off what I'm actually trying to achieve. Have to press back button a hundred times to get out of whatever it's showing me, whops one too many, app is now closed, have to…

Organic Maps isn't as full featured, but so far, works well for directions here. Also works 100% offline, after downloading maps.

Thanks, that looks like a very useful app.

For others who might be interested, it can be found here: https://organicmaps.app

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