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Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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Twitter boggles my mind... One large thread of information broken up into tiny pieces that can easily be taken out of context by retweeting or even worse by quote tweeting. Truly the pinnacle of how we should report/publish information. Luckily no important institution or politicians use this as their official information channel, am I right?

We don't even have to dive into content aggregation/recommendation algorithms to realize how terrible this is.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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> I stand by what I actually wrote: that they did everything feasible to remove and report illegal content. I mean they didn't even do that. Wasn't their enforcement team pretty small? The original op-ed said it was ~80 people. In any case it was inadequate. > but rather an effort to prevent said content from being uploaded in the first place. PornHub chose a model that made it impossible for them to deal with their…

>Businesses don't have the right to make compliance optional or inadequate if it doesn't work for their business model. They have to pick a business model that can be compliant. Not to be snarky, but isn't the the SV business model. Facebook 'are not a publisher', because editors cost too much. Uber are 'not an employer', because proper benefits cost too much..etc ad infinitum

Doesn't make it OK

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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It's the same crap as the ad-pocalypse. Journalists with an agenda use a disingenuous tactic, if they have a problem with a person or entity, they'll call up their sponsors, business partners, vendors, etc, and say "we're writing an article on X's platform which has been found to have (controversial material framed in a negative context), are we to believe that you're supportive and would your company care to comment…

It's easy to criticise the article in general terms, but what specifically did you find problematic with the article itself? Go ahead and have a read, I'll wait. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-ra...

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Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same crap as the ad-pocalypse. Journalists with an agenda use a disingenuous tactic, if they have a problem with a person or entity, they'll call up their sponsors, business partners, vendors, etc, and say "we're writing an article on X's platform which has been found to have (controversial material framed in a negative context), are we to believe that you're supportive and would your company care to comment…

It's easy to criticise the article in general terms, but what specifically did you find problematic with the article itself? Go ahead and have a read, I'll wait. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-ra...

The article uses innuendo to suggest that nonconsensual videos were very popular on the platform and that its proposed policies will improve performers' conditions. These questions are not seriously examined, but the article is focused on sensational stories and big numbers while skipping context and consequences.

https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-holy-war...

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

#365
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I've never heard a good argument against prostitution. The arguments that I hear are against trafficking, rape, child molestation; which are all non-sequiturs: true and valid statements that do not support the argument itself. Can anyone here argue against prostitution per se? I'll listen.

> true and valid statements that do not support the argument itself How about the argument that if prostitution is legal, it's possible for an illegally coercive (trafficked) business to pose as legitimate; whereas if prostitution is not legal, any appearance of prostitution can warrant scrutiny.

Too broad. "If selling jewelry is legal, it's possibly for a fence to pose as legitimate; whereas if selling jewelry is not legal, any appearance of selling jewelry can warrant scrutiny."

Some people offer things for sale which they don't have any right to sell. That doesn't imply that those who do have that right should be prevented from exercising it just to make things easier for law enforcement. You do more direct harm by unjustly prohibiting the activity than you stand to (possibly) prevent.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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Think of it the other way around. Sex workers can finally go “legit” via OF and can stop fucking random people.

On the street, sex workers compete with the local availability and even the most expensive workers are limited by time alone. On the internet, the have (had?) to compete with the prettiest and best people in the business and these people can have far more customers. So I honestly doubt that there is much mobility between these two jobs.

I have personal experience: the fan base starts with ex clients and there are all sorts of promotional techniques.

A friend of mine did exactly that. She isn’t rich but she can pay her bills.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

#367
post #91

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Think of it the other way around. Sex workers can finally go “legit” via OF and can stop fucking random people.

Most of them can’t do nearly as much as of when fucking people full time, and most of that part can’t even make a living on OF. It is unlikely “the other way around”, considering insights available out there.

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Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

#368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I stand by what I actually wrote: that they did everything feasible to remove and report illegal content. I mean they didn't even do that. Wasn't their enforcement team pretty small? The original op-ed said it was ~80 people. In any case it was inadequate. > but rather an effort to prevent said content from being uploaded in the first place. PornHub chose a model that made it impossible for them to deal with their…

>Businesses don't have the right to make compliance optional or inadequate if it doesn't work for their business model. They have to pick a business model that can be compliant. Not to be snarky, but isn't the the SV business model. Facebook 'are not a publisher', because editors cost too much. Uber are 'not an employer', because proper benefits cost too much..etc ad infinitum

> Not to be snarky, but isn't [that] the SV business model. Facebook 'are not a publisher', because editors cost too much. Uber are 'not an employer', because proper benefits cost too much..etc ad infinitum

I totally agree with you, it is. Responsibility is a barrier to scaling and other selfish goals, so their "clever hack" is to try to be as irresponsible as they can get away with.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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post #297

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The best argument "against prostitution" is the moral argument against consuming it: you don't and _can't_ know if the person you're paying for is too poor or too wasted to be able to choose to participate, or if they're being threatened with violence into participating by a pimp, for example. Coerced sexual activity with another person is r-pe (as opposed to, say, working at Burger King, which might be coerced by th…

Do you think enjoying the product of all coerced labor is wrong, or only sexual coerced labor?

"Do you think all violence is wrong, or only murder?" Of course there are degrees. I don't really see the gotcha here -- if you found out your favorite anime or Pixar movie was animated by slaves, would you still be able to enjoy it?

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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post #282

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If there really are minors on there, I'm glad they're being forced to clean up their act. Downvote me all you want for feeling that way.

How old does a person have to be to start deserving blame for their choices of sexual activity? Can you come off anonymous and let me know?

Countries have specific laws about age of consent. Being on the internet doesn't magically invalidate those laws.
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