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In internal memo, Apple addresses concerns around new Photo scanning features

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Re: In internal memo, Apple addresses concerns around new Photo scanning features

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Post by diebeforei485 »

almostdigital wrote: post #357
matwood wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Honestly I would have been fine with Apple scanning my all photos after they are uploaded to iCloud Apple has already been doing exactly this for years . Now they are going to check the photos right before uploading to iCloud which is actually more privacy friendly than they do now. It also lets Apple turn on e2e for iCloud photos if they want. I understand the 'what if' and slippery slope arguments, but wow, there…

> Apple has already been doing exactly this for years. Is that an assumption made based on that "everyone is doing it" or is there some evidence? > Apple makes the OS and doesn't need a fancy system to scan all the files on the device if that's what they want to do. If the goal is to scan all the files on everyones device this system is exactly what they need. It's not like they could upload hashes of every file on e…

They've said it themselves, this has been known for years-

https://digit.fyi/apple-admits-scanning-photos-uploaded-to-i...

Re: In internal memo, Apple addresses concerns around new Photo scanning features

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Post by gwilikers »

> I know it’s been a long day and that many of you probably haven’t slept in 24 hours. We know that the days to come will be filled with the screeching voices of the minority.

> Our commitment to lift up kids who have lived through the most unimaginable abuse and victimizations will be stronger.

Ah, yes, everyone that is vocally concerned about this is either misinformed or irrationally “screeching.” We, of course, are righteous defenders of children. Tighten those blinders, Team Apple!

Re: In internal memo, Apple addresses concerns around new Photo scanning features

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Post by vogon_laureate »

I can see all the arguments and concerns people have and the strong opposition from the tech community. What I’m not seeing enough of is a focus on the actual problem Apple is purporting to address (whatever your views may be on their implementation).

If anything I’m seeing some very worrying minimisation and dismissals of the problem of CP, child trafficking and abuse and other privacy and ethics related issues such as counter-terrorism.

What’s the privacy and ethically aware solution to these problems?

Re: In internal memo, Apple addresses concerns around new Photo scanning features

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Post by HugoDaniel »

vogon_laureate wrote: post #363

I can see all the arguments and concerns people have and the strong opposition from the tech community. What I’m not seeing enough of is a focus on the actual problem Apple is purporting to address (whatever your views may be on their implementation). If anything I’m seeing some very worrying minimisation and dismissals of the problem of CP, child trafficking and abuse and other privacy and ethics related issues such…

Lets ask Casio, since 1989 that they sell the F-91W [0].

When will they also start ratting on their costumers?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casio_F-91W#Usage_in_terrorism

Re: In internal memo, Apple addresses concerns around new Photo scanning features

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Post by fortran77 »

It's odd that a "private" organization, the "National Center for Missing and Exploited Children" gets access to your photos first, before law enforcement.

Why would we trust law enforcement to a posse of private citizens (albeit with a congressional charter)?

Re: In internal memo, Apple addresses concerns around new Photo scanning features

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Post by shuckles »

Hackbraten wrote: post #255
shuckles wrote: post #196

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Not really. Key management is done by the SEP, which can’t be introspected. And again, database updates take an iOS update so the back door threat is the exact same.

> database updates take an iOS update macOS already supports silent database updates, for example for Gatekeeper and MRT signatures. Why wouldn’t Apple use this feature on iOS, too?

Because it’s bad for privacy.

Re: In internal memo, Apple addresses concerns around new Photo scanning features

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Post by shuckles »

dcow wrote: post #219
shuckles wrote: post #121

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The database ships with iOS. Apple can do anything they want in iOS updates. In fact, this was exactly the “back door” the FBI requested Apple use half a decade ago. Per this standard, all Apple end to end products are already backdoored, and nothing new was announced.

Yes but previously Apple’s stance was, “no we won’t do that”. And so they earned many’s trust. Now they are planning to do exactly that. And so they have broken the trust they earned.

Where specifically did Apple say they will never try to detect for the presence of CSAM in your iCloud Photo Library? In fact, people mistakenly assume that they do already.

Re: In internal memo, Apple addresses concerns around new Photo scanning features

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Post by krapp »

fortran77 wrote: post #365

It's odd that a "private" organization, the "National Center for Missing and Exploited Children" gets access to your photos first, before law enforcement. Why would we trust law enforcement to a posse of private citizens (albeit with a congressional charter)?

>Why would we trust law enforcement to a posse of private citizens (albeit with a congressional charter)?

What they're doing isn't law enforcement. Charging people with crimes, arresting them and throwing them in jail is law enforcement.

Re: In internal memo, Apple addresses concerns around new Photo scanning features

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Post by mirkules »

vogon_laureate wrote: post #363

I can see all the arguments and concerns people have and the strong opposition from the tech community. What I’m not seeing enough of is a focus on the actual problem Apple is purporting to address (whatever your views may be on their implementation). If anything I’m seeing some very worrying minimisation and dismissals of the problem of CP, child trafficking and abuse and other privacy and ethics related issues such…

“Think of the Children” and “terrorism” are two of the most used excuses for overreach, usually reserved for governments, but apparently for some companies too now. Why is it Apple’s business to stop crime, regardless of severity or type? How does “solving crime” help them sell devices? The more conspiratorial-minded individuals might actually suspect some government collusion in this, because it makes no financial sense otherwise to do this.

Nobody is dismissing CP (or terrorism). Simply put, it’s not Apple’s problem to solve.

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