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Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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For researchers in most universities almost every paper is obtainable without scihub.

I’m a researcher at a first world university. I used sci-hub to pirate my own papers cus we did not have a subscription to the journal anymore. I’m not paying $39 to read my own work!

As a researcher, I'm not sure why you didn't have a preprint copies as all other authors I have met did.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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It’s depriving journals from money they could make from publications when they have already charged the authors to publish them. There is no moral dilemma here : accessing an article thru Sci-Hub deprives nobody from getting its due money. Scientists unfortunately continues not being paid for the paper, journals continues being paid by universities to review the paper, but nobody wants to pay just to read a paper fro…

So you agree that it is theft from publishers?

No, I disagree on the fact that they are « publishers » at all. Reviewers, for sure, and they still get paid for that.

But being a publisher means being an intermediate between the author and the reader, which they are not since when I buy the right to read a publication, 0% of my money goes to author.

And even, I could be ok to pay them to compensate access fees (lol !) but I prefer using their concurrent (Sci-Hub)

I call this a mafia. The fact it is legal don’t change my view on it.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

#363

We can say here that entrepreneurs in Russia - like Alexandra Elbakyan - have certain possibilities that other's don't have! That's awesome. And SV people have something to be jealous of - something they couldn't pull off. I hope she pulls it off. Different possibilities in different legal spaces. Any others like that, that you can think of?

I believe Switzerland has been regarded a tax haven for many years, allowing financial institutions to do business in ways that might be considered unscrupulous otherwise. It is up to argument whether this is good or bad for society (personally I veer towards bad, but that's because I'm not on the winning side and it's a way for the extremely rich to evade taxes).

I also know of several seed boxes to have servers in Switzerland, but my knowledge in both of these matters is rather dated. If somebody else has updated info on these matters I'd love to learn more.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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> reasonable to me to pay a small one-time publication fee for an open access journal, to cover clerical and typesetting work In my experience, the author typesets themselves anyway - the journal doesn’t do this. And the clerical work is done by community volunteers - the journal doesn’t do that either.

In my experience with open access journals, if I am expected to typeset, I need to pay around 300$ for publication. If the journal does their typesetting, I pay on the order of thousands. Steep, but not unreasonable. And waivers exist.

Don't you just use a LaTeX template? I'm not really sure what typesetting there is to do beyond that?

Whenever I publish a paper, I just send them a finished PDF. There's nothing more done with it than that I believe.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

#365

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In my experience with open access journals, if I am expected to typeset, I need to pay around 300$ for publication. If the journal does their typesetting, I pay on the order of thousands. Steep, but not unreasonable. And waivers exist.

Don't you just use a LaTeX template? I'm not really sure what typesetting there is to do beyond that? Whenever I publish a paper, I just send them a finished PDF. There's nothing more done with it than that I believe.

LaTeX on its own does not magically solve all layout issues, especially if the exact placement of figures is pedagogically important or if the math equations are complicated. Usually you would end with 20ish compilation warnings (not errors) on a first draft. I think it is fine for a scientist to not bother with those, but I also think it is important for them to be fixed by someone in the final product. You can argue that I am snobish about typesetting, but that is different from saying that good typesetting does not involve an effort.

Also, I have never sent a PDF for publication. I always send source files. I do not know of journals that would accept a PDF (except for early peer review).

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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I'm very confused, why would she ever have to comply with orders of an Indian (or indeed, US) court if she resides in Europe?

She doesn't, but many people really really want to change this. See this discussion from a week ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27662701 The topic of borders and the Internet is a really weird one in general. Somehow the very same people who would like Alexandra to flout any laws will jump up and down and yell "Google should be forced to do what my country tells it". Personally I find this baffling.

You should comply with the laws of the country your operating in, yes. Google has different versions of its offerings for different countries, as it should be. She changed scihub for everyone, though, not just Indians, that's the difference.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

#367

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I’m a researcher at a first world university. I used sci-hub to pirate my own papers cus we did not have a subscription to the journal anymore. I’m not paying $39 to read my own work!

As a researcher, I'm not sure why you didn't have a preprint copies as all other authors I have met did.

Wasn’t at home, don’t have them in my Dropbox.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

#368

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If sci-hub goes down it will significantly disrupt nearly every scientific researcher, in every field, all over the world. After getting used to a world where every paper is obtainable, it would be very difficult for people to go back. I’m not really a scholar or academic per se, but the independent research I do (which involves skimming thousands of papers per year, 99% of which are irrelevant or useless) would be a…

If your peers thing that you need to cite the paper X because is relevant for the theme, you need to obtain it and pay for it. To decide to ignore parts of knowledge because you don't like its distribution mode is not an option. The result will be less science, slower science and independent scientists being pushed out of the road. They would try to recruit them later under the ridiculous 'citizen scientists' categor…

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Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

#369

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It's copying, not theft. The latter deprives someone of an item, the former increases its availability. An important distinction when considering the purpose and goals of Sci-Hub.

> It's copying, not theft. > The latter deprives someone of an item ... It's depriving people of money, which is not a trivial asset.

For these publishers, that's a welcome side effect. Having a small number of private companies control access to what should be communal resources, solely to enrich themselves and their shareholders, is not how this should work at all.

Also, many users of Sci-Hub would not be able to afford the publishers' access fees anyway. The alternative, if Sci-Hub is destroyed, isn't the publishers getting loads more cash rolling in, it's such users not being able to access these research papers at all.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

#370

Anyone remember Napster? There were extremely obscure musical recordings that were instantly found on Napster that are impossible to find even today. It took a long time for anyone to rebuild that data to the level of usefulness that Napster had. If Sci-Hub is forced to shut down due to legal pressure, technical problems, running out of money, or the founder losing interest, it would take a long time for anyone to du…

As far as backups for future generations go, I'd hope archive.org has a backup of it all, regardless of whether or not they make it available. I certainly hope they have a program for keeping copyrighted (or otherwise private) data backed up for safekeeping for future generations without making it publicly (or privately) accessible; sort of a digital time capsule, if you will, that's kept securely locked until a future date.
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