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For researchers in most universities almost every paper is obtainable without scihub.
I’m a researcher at a first world university. I used sci-hub to pirate my own papers cus we did not have a subscription to the journal anymore. I’m not paying $39 to read my own work!
Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?
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Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?
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It’s depriving journals from money they could make from publications when they have already charged the authors to publish them. There is no moral dilemma here : accessing an article thru Sci-Hub deprives nobody from getting its due money. Scientists unfortunately continues not being paid for the paper, journals continues being paid by universities to review the paper, but nobody wants to pay just to read a paper fro…
So you agree that it is theft from publishers?
But being a publisher means being an intermediate between the author and the reader, which they are not since when I buy the right to read a publication, 0% of my money goes to author.
And even, I could be ok to pay them to compensate access fees (lol !) but I prefer using their concurrent (Sci-Hub)
I call this a mafia. The fact it is legal don’t change my view on it.
Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?
#363We can say here that entrepreneurs in Russia - like Alexandra Elbakyan - have certain possibilities that other's don't have! That's awesome. And SV people have something to be jealous of - something they couldn't pull off. I hope she pulls it off. Different possibilities in different legal spaces. Any others like that, that you can think of?
I also know of several seed boxes to have servers in Switzerland, but my knowledge in both of these matters is rather dated. If somebody else has updated info on these matters I'd love to learn more.
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> reasonable to me to pay a small one-time publication fee for an open access journal, to cover clerical and typesetting work In my experience, the author typesets themselves anyway - the journal doesn’t do this. And the clerical work is done by community volunteers - the journal doesn’t do that either.
In my experience with open access journals, if I am expected to typeset, I need to pay around 300$ for publication. If the journal does their typesetting, I pay on the order of thousands. Steep, but not unreasonable. And waivers exist.
Whenever I publish a paper, I just send them a finished PDF. There's nothing more done with it than that I believe.
Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?
#365Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my experience with open access journals, if I am expected to typeset, I need to pay around 300$ for publication. If the journal does their typesetting, I pay on the order of thousands. Steep, but not unreasonable. And waivers exist.
Don't you just use a LaTeX template? I'm not really sure what typesetting there is to do beyond that? Whenever I publish a paper, I just send them a finished PDF. There's nothing more done with it than that I believe.
Also, I have never sent a PDF for publication. I always send source files. I do not know of journals that would accept a PDF (except for early peer review).
Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?
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I'm very confused, why would she ever have to comply with orders of an Indian (or indeed, US) court if she resides in Europe?
She doesn't, but many people really really want to change this. See this discussion from a week ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27662701 The topic of borders and the Internet is a really weird one in general. Somehow the very same people who would like Alexandra to flout any laws will jump up and down and yell "Google should be forced to do what my country tells it". Personally I find this baffling.
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#367Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m a researcher at a first world university. I used sci-hub to pirate my own papers cus we did not have a subscription to the journal anymore. I’m not paying $39 to read my own work!
As a researcher, I'm not sure why you didn't have a preprint copies as all other authors I have met did.
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If sci-hub goes down it will significantly disrupt nearly every scientific researcher, in every field, all over the world. After getting used to a world where every paper is obtainable, it would be very difficult for people to go back. I’m not really a scholar or academic per se, but the independent research I do (which involves skimming thousands of papers per year, 99% of which are irrelevant or useless) would be a…
If your peers thing that you need to cite the paper X because is relevant for the theme, you need to obtain it and pay for it. To decide to ignore parts of knowledge because you don't like its distribution mode is not an option. The result will be less science, slower science and independent scientists being pushed out of the road. They would try to recruit them later under the ridiculous 'citizen scientists' categor…
Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?
#369Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's copying, not theft. The latter deprives someone of an item, the former increases its availability. An important distinction when considering the purpose and goals of Sci-Hub.
> It's copying, not theft. > The latter deprives someone of an item ... It's depriving people of money, which is not a trivial asset.
Also, many users of Sci-Hub would not be able to afford the publishers' access fees anyway. The alternative, if Sci-Hub is destroyed, isn't the publishers getting loads more cash rolling in, it's such users not being able to access these research papers at all.
Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?
#370Anyone remember Napster? There were extremely obscure musical recordings that were instantly found on Napster that are impossible to find even today. It took a long time for anyone to rebuild that data to the level of usefulness that Napster had. If Sci-Hub is forced to shut down due to legal pressure, technical problems, running out of money, or the founder losing interest, it would take a long time for anyone to du…