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Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by Terretta » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 10:52 AM UTC

wonderwonder wrote: post #164

r00fus wrote: post #52

Can someone tell me why we (US) don't have a vaccine passport yet?

We cannot force some to isolate and others not too. We have reached a point where the vaccine is proven effective. Virtually anyone in the US that wanted to get a vaccine by now has had ample opportunity to do so. Those who choose not too will either contract the virus or not, that is their call. I am fully vaccinated and would encourage everyone to get vaccinated but I don't see how we have the right to force anyone…

And yet none of your argument applies to smoking, because it affects those around not just the smoker and imposes extraordinary costs on non-smoker’s insurance bill.

Seems clear we can, and do, forbid individuals from physically and financially harming the community by their ‘personal’ choices. It is their body and their right to do as they wish — perhaps only as long as it harms no others who have the right to be unharmed.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by raphlinus » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 3:37 PM UTC

willmadden wrote: post #356

raphlinus wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll quote the expression of concern, in case people don't click through your link and see it: The journal is issuing this expression of concern to alert readers to significant concerns regarding the paper cited above [1]. Serious concerns have been raised about misinterpretation of the data and the conclusions. The major concern is the misrepresentation of the COVID-19 vaccination efforts and misrepresentation of th…

I'm not sure why it's worth quoting that "expression of concern" rather than addressing the study directly. I'll list my "expression of concern" about their "expression of concern": their "expression of concern" contains no evidence refuting the study. In fact, it contains no substance at all, other than being a political statement. View the full text here and see for yourself: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/705/…

The paper has now been retracted.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by rajin444 » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 5:01 PM UTC

fra wrote: post #360

rajin444 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't you say the same for people who choose to be obese? Not only are they consuming more resources, but they're weakening their immune systems, thus furthering the likelihood they'll spread covid and other diseases. I'm not saying this is a world I want to live in, but how do you decide where to draw the line?

Are you saying it's as easy to lose weight as it is getting vaccinated? Obesity is a disease.

It's easier. For the majority of people, all you need to do is eat less. If you argument is that obese people do not have the ability to eat less, that is a much different discussion (with some implications I don't think many are comfortable with).

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by willmadden » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 5:31 PM UTC

raphlinus wrote: post #362

willmadden wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why it's worth quoting that "expression of concern" rather than addressing the study directly. I'll list my "expression of concern" about their "expression of concern": their "expression of concern" contains no evidence refuting the study. In fact, it contains no substance at all, other than being a political statement. View the full text here and see for yourself: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/705/…

The paper has now been retracted.

Their justification for this retraction is a joke: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/729/htm

The major claim of the study was based on data from a 1m+ person field study in Israel, but the retraction was based on a technicality in the Netherlands.

Yet they let the completely fraudulent Surgisphere study go into the Lancet for months and change world health policy discouraging therapeutics?

Big pharma narrative control and censorship in action, folks.