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I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Yeah! The entire desktop Linux software library is available and that has a lot of really good, community maintained software.

Is much of that library good on mobile?

It depends on the UI configuration. I run an overlapping desktop WM on mine and as long as the software doesn't need a second mouse button it's fine.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Surely the 'professional' versions don't have this requirement? I'm quite far from a Windows expert, but at the company I work for the IT folks control all aspects of authentication and maintenance (e.g. patches all come through our own servers, not MS or Apple). They'd tell MS to piss off if they tried to require employees to have MS accounts.

I've only installed PRO versions of Windows 10 and you CAN setup a local account even if internet is plugged in. It is however, hidden behind a few clicks so you must actively search for it. EDIT: maybe I'm wrong now, as other comment says they changed it a few months back. My last install was somewhere in Dec/2020

I did an install of Windows 10 Pro N on a Mac Pro a couple weeks ago (followed this guide: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/opencore-on-the-mac-pro..., search for "Installing Windows and Linux " section).

The Mac was connected to the Internet, I had to do a couple of clicks during the setup to create a local account but it was easy enough to do - I had not searched beforehand and I hadn't set up a Windows machine in the last five years or so.

Side note for fellow people willing to run W10 on Mac Pro's, two things: the multi-socket variants won't run on the Home edition, you need the Professional edition, and if you're using Opencore you will need to enable the OpenShell EFI shell as you'll need to run bootmgfw.efi once from the UEFI shell.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Making everyone use an online account is the first baby step toward forcing everyone to pay monthly/yearly to use their computer.

You have to do it on iOS and Google's Android, and neither cost anything. Why does Apple and Google get away with it but Microsoft doesn't?

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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I am always surprised by the lack of a proper "Linux Wine" OS, binary compatible with Windows, but with linux under the hood..

Maybe if WINE ditched their "clean room" directive...

They can't, it would open them up for so much legal trouble. Just look at the entire SCO saga.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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> bought something from a shop with no stickiness If you want this you can still have it, you just need to follow a simple rule: Absolutely no non-free non community maintained software ever period.

For most people it would mean giving up far more than they would gain.

It might appear that way but much of the cost of non-community-maintained software is hidden and people don't realize it until long after it becomes expensive to leave. Because of this I'm not sure I agree.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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It was never a requirement. It uses dark UI patterns (You have to click cancel, then there is a tiny link at the bottom that allows you to create local pc admin account with no MS attachment). Media likes to overblow things.

Haha, how can you defend Microsoft like this. Imagine McDonald's applying such dark UI patterns: maybe forget part of your order, put your change on the table under a napkin so you don't notice it, only offer you the free ice cream the 3rd time you ask, etc. People would be up in arms! But Microsoft?! Well, they are the darling of the tech world now so it must only be a prank no? No evil to see here, sir!

"But Microsoft?! Well, they are the darling of the tech world now so it must only be a prank no?"

Google and Apple do it too and no one has complained. Why suddenly the up and arms when Microsoft does it? That doesn't sound like a darling of the tech world to me.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Do you really need Windows? Our family laptop runs Linux, it does Teams for school, MineCraft, Netflix. You could do Office365 from a browser, although I admit, it is less than ideal. But it seems like you are almost at the emotional state make the jump... what's holding you back? I bought a Dell Latitude E5450 for 350 eur about 2 years back. It was used but looked new. It came with Win 10 Pro, which sits on my NAS a…

Minecraft for kids is arguably safer on Bedrock servers and clients with the parental controls managed through the Microsoft account. While Mojang made efforts, the premise of the Java version was unrestricted server community and that remains the dominant paradigm. Not everything should be for kids, not saying “think of the children” and use Win10 or iOS, just commenting on a less known value-add of a Microsoft Acco…

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Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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From the opinion piece: "I don’t know why Microsoft wants everyone to use an online login. I don’t know why Microsoft felt it had the right to treat its customers the way it did with the Get Windows 10 campaign or its six-year battle to push everyone to use online accounts."

I don't know the actual answer because I don't work for Microsoft but I'm lazy enough to assume it is about money. Its financially rewarding for Microsoft to have hordes of Home users online. That telemetry is valuable. Those eyeballs are valuable. That level of engagement is valuable. Its telling that Pro and Enterprise versions operate without the same level. Home users always online is worth Microsoft either enforcing or in the very least "encouraging" this state.

That is a sufficient theory for me. I might not have the full picture but its accurate enough to form opinions and predict Microsoft's future behavior. I'd expect multiple pathways around leveraging that online presence even further. You haven't seen anything yet. This is just the beginning.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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To be honest, I think it’s as simple as it being a better experience for the type of people who would buy the Home edition. Forcing them to log in with a MS account allows MS to provide a lot of the services people expect using Android or iOS as their primary devices. For one thing, both those devices pretty much require an online account as well. And they contain far more sensitive data. But more importantly, they a…

> the type of people who would buy the Home edition I haven't looked particularly into the differences between 'normal' Windows 10 and the other tiers but in the past, 'professional' versions were actually missing things (codecs etc.) that you'd want on a general usage PC.

As far as I know Windows 10 Pro has everything home has and more. You may be thinking of enterprise editions when you mention missing consumer features.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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post #227

I wonder if ReactOS[0] will eventually catch-up in business environments where this kind of bullshit is less/not acceptable. [0] https://reactos.org/

It seems as though this bullshit is perfectly acceptable in business environments. Hell, many businesses are mandating that all employees have a Microsoft account anyway (Office 365). Why would business environments care that their workers' have to make a Microsoft account to log into their work laptops? IT surely has remote control of it and can get them access if they get locked out. The people who are MOST upset a…

> Why would business environments care that their workers' have to make a Microsoft account to log into their work laptops?

One case in point would be: If that business happens to be located in the E.U. where GDPR prevents employers from exposing their employees to privacy liabilities of this sort. For example GDPR is already a major stumbling block to the adoption of Office 365 by european business, which is why many are using ancient versions of office, microsoft-alternatives, or are using Office 365 but without being able to really sleep all that soundly, hoping that employees won't sue and privacy regulators won't act. The legal position, however, is quite clear.

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