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Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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valtism wrote: post #312
dang wrote: post #290

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> EDIT: Watching the points on this comment swing from negative to positive in the span of minutes is telling. Please follow the site guidelines. You broke the second-last one: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . (Btw, it's not "telling" of anything but that the topic is divisive, which we all know already.)

Hey dang. I think this post need to be taken down. I've followed this drama before and after reading a lot from both sides, it's pretty clear in my eyes that there is an ongoing harassment campaign from Pasquale. I was really shocked to see this getting so highly voted on HN. I think this post covers a lot of what is happening - https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/vcbrags-pasquale-mit...

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Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by JPKab »

almostgone wrote: post #67

When these attacks take on a racial or gender-focused hue, I think they end up having a terribly ironic effect: further isolating the group they sought to protect (e.g., POC, women, etc). That is, they win the battle, but lose the war. Each of these stories reinforces in my mind to not associate with those that are higher on the oppression totem pole. I know it is not their fault, and I feel bad for doing so, but the…

This.

I am no longer willing to mentor female coders one on one after witnessing a friend get fired from allegations from a mentally unstable female peer. She ended up getting a second dude fired, until on her third attempt the claims fell apart, and it became clear she had fabricated all 3 claims. Too late for the first two.

This victimization cult has now caused me to adopt the "billy graham rule" that I used to make fun of fundamentalist Christians about.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by prawn »

tediousdemise wrote: post #120

Twitter is a toxic wasteland of shit eaters. I avoid Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, pretty much anything considered social media. In fact, the only websites I use are email, banking, and HN. I don’t need social media. Social media doesn’t deserve my bandwidth, advertisers don’t deserve my attention, and my mind doesn’t deserve to be manipulated.

I think this must be true of Twitter in specific places (USA) or circles. I find it to be largely positive and can't think of the last time I saw a polarised debate on there. Not on FB so can't comment about that.

Instagram is important for one of my lines of work and I find it a positive place.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by [deleted] »

valtism wrote: post #312
dang wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> EDIT: Watching the points on this comment swing from negative to positive in the span of minutes is telling. Please follow the site guidelines. You broke the second-last one: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . (Btw, it's not "telling" of anything but that the topic is divisive, which we all know already.)

Hey dang. I think this post need to be taken down. I've followed this drama before and after reading a lot from both sides, it's pretty clear in my eyes that there is an ongoing harassment campaign from Pasquale. I was really shocked to see this getting so highly voted on HN. I think this post covers a lot of what is happening - https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/vcbrags-pasquale-mit...

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Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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eyelidlessness wrote: post #349
imgabe wrote: post #330

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I understand that you are telling the truth. Do you understand that sometimes people do not tell the truth? The question is what level of consequence are you saying we should inflict on people before some kind of evidence beyond an accusation is required? If it's "I tell my friends about what happened, and then they turn down opportunities to work with that person". I don't think anyone would or could sue for libel a…

No, I don’t think that’s reasonable. In the spirit of “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer”, I don’t think adding more legal liability serves anyone. Moreover, it serves even less people who already have few resources to redress wrongs. It’s not like this concept of “mob ruined my life” is some new concept, it’s something victims of abuse experience or withhold their stories to a…

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Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by [deleted] »

mcguire wrote: post #314
WDCDev wrote: post #91

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Yes - and it's driving people further into tribes where the only way they feel "safe" is in and around their own "kind". This isn't civilization, but a regression and if it goes on for a few more generations it could be very damaging to our social fabric. I just hope it's a weird early-21st century "intellectual" movement that eventually dies out.

I hate to point this out, but this isn't a "regression" and it's been part of our civilization since our civilization became a civilization. It's just a change in who the targets are.

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Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by SilverRed »

fastball wrote: post #334
SilverRed wrote: post #332

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The majority of people are not malicious and would not make this stuff up. Some obviously are and will but my feeling is that these people are the minority.

Not sure the math makes sense on that. Assuming a two-party interaction, for every person that makes a true accusation of abuse, there is one malicious actor (the abuser). For every person who makes a false accusation, there is one malicious actor (the accuser). Regardless of the ratio of true to false accusations, the number of malicious people in the world remains unchanged.

This was an interesting thought but I think the difference is that the defender has a much greater incentive to defend than an accuser has to accuse. There is no downside to not falsely accusing someone but there is a major downside to not falsely denying an accusation.

So it would be expected that almost every accused person would defend themselves when they would not lie if the sides were reversed.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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austhrow743 wrote: post #346
valtism wrote: post #312

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Hey dang. I think this post need to be taken down. I've followed this drama before and after reading a lot from both sides, it's pretty clear in my eyes that there is an ongoing harassment campaign from Pasquale. I was really shocked to see this getting so highly voted on HN. I think this post covers a lot of what is happening - https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/vcbrags-pasquale-mit...

Do you have something better to show harassment? That post doesn't appear to. As far as I can tell it's about an account that replied to people patting themselves on the back with clap symbols, which seems rather benign. Although I may just be too removed from twitter and people who use twitter culture to get it.

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Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by 1123581321 »

kodah wrote: post #338
1123581321 wrote: post #105

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I think that a culture of lovingly challenging our friends is part of the solution to that problem of that counterweighting. I should be the first to uncover the sins, if you will, of my friend, and urge repentance and restitution, temporarily withholding approval to achieve that end, and involving more people in that knowledge to the degree necessary with public shaming being a last resort. (In this example, the pro…

> I think that a culture of lovingly challenging our friends is part of the solution to that problem of that counterweighting. I should be the first to uncover the sins, if you will, of my friend, and urge repentance and restitution, temporarily withholding approval to achieve that end, and involving more people in that knowledge to the degree necessary with public shaming being a last resort. (In this example, the p…

Yep. :) I tried to generalize the philosophy but apparently didn’t cover my tracks well enough. I’d like to think that the principles would work for anyone.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by temp8964 »

fastball wrote: post #331
yoz-y wrote: post #161

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Did I read the thread incorrectly? From there it seems that OP has dated exactly one person out of the bunch, another one was a friend and the rest acquaintances or passersby?

Rundown: - dated @boop - friends with @devonko_ - @ljmacfadyen is random twitter interaction - dated @saskiakeultjes

Thanks! My impression isn't very accurate :-)
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