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Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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Re: Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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Can confirm this solid advice. Even at a mega-scale social games publisher like Zynga, we had to deal with automated bans all the time. That's why at one point we used an avatar for each game that was separately managed and was basically a separate identity with a separate bank account with a holding company etc. - Invent an avatar that has their own profile, residence, birth date, gender etc. - Use separate email ad…

I find it hard to believe Zynga had to use such techniques unless you’re referring to very early days. I, too, have used the techniques you’ve mentioned and went way down the rabbit hole. Among the things you’ve mentioned also found myself shipping friends and family laptops and Teamviewering into them to use alias accounts. Not fun to have to resort to such tactics. If Zynga still employs such, I shall make a mental…

I am not sure what you are implying. I am not an expert in this field but based upon the article and comments here it seems that this is something you have to do unless you want to be banned, even nowadays?

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While this is good and practical advice, it does irritates me that there isn't more of a push for regulation to protect people against automated actions like this. I know in the EU we have protections under GDPR which allow us to request an explanation for an automated action, but I don't believe we have anyway to request human review. Part of the problem it seems is that even if these actions are unfair and unjustif…

GDPR is for people. It doesn't help you if you're a business.

There is broad precedent that some GDPR protections also apply to businesses that consist of a single person.

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How on earth does google manage to still be one of the most valuable (in $$$) companies in the world with this kind of behavior. I just can't imagine treating my customers half as bad as the way google does and still continue to be in business. Abruptly dropping support for products[1], violating their user's privacy [2] , working with organizations accused of human rights violations. Each passing year it seems googl…

Remember "don't be evil"? I bet Google doesn't.

Relevant: https://time.com/4060575/alphabet-google-dont-be-evil/

Re: Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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To be more clear: Google can ban your Android app for any reason . One of the many reasons for this is if they think you've clicked on your own ads.

> One of the many reasons for this is if they think you've clicked on your own ads.

Or if their shitty and clearly demonstrably broken AI thinks you've clicked on your own ads.

Re: Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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If they're banning a free account and you haven't suffered any monetary loss I doubt if the court will take kindly to its time being wasted with a case like this. Any argument about data loss would be put back on you with "back up better next time"

That makes me wonder if Google has a whitelist of accounts, never to ban unless via manual intervention. Kind of like how Trump was not banned for years from Twitter despite breaking their policies multiple times. This way, Google can keep the general muck banned but the actual troublemakers or those capacity for such will stay up.

Considering they don't even whitelist their own critical internal services I doubt it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25472455

However I wouldn't be surprised as part of the profile they build on each user that there isn't some kind of influence metric they can use to work who the high profile people are.

It could even be as simple as watching the inbox for when the "high profile verified social tick approved" emails arrive.

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Stories like this always scare me because they remind me that all of my domain names are on Google domains, including the one I use for my work email address. I gotta migrate out one of these days.

porkbun is cheap/good too (but some may throw the China boogeyman at them)

Good service, but their stupid whois privacy guard email system means you would need to turn privacy off to transfer a domain away from them, that always put me off.

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Stories like this always scare me because they remind me that all of my domain names are on Google domains, including the one I use for my work email address. I gotta migrate out one of these days.

Epik and Namecheap are pretty good imo. Definitely don't use GoDaddy. EDIT: One can find several instances where users search domain names on GoDaddy and they are available at regular price but when they try to place the order, the domain is no longer available and must be bought at a premium price.

Namecheap are not very cheap, and they basically stole a domain from me last year by freezing my account randomly and requiring a cam-show on an unrecognized domain where i was to put my credit card on cam to verify i was myself.. i tried contacting them, as it sounded sketchy, but the deadline ran out before they replied. They refunded some of my money and kept my domain.

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If there's a good alternative never use Google anything. The sole fact that there is no appeal system to account shutdowns and the way they just kill services at random should be enough reason for anyone.

Stories like this always scare me because they remind me that all of my domain names are on Google domains, including the one I use for my work email address. I gotta migrate out one of these days.

In case you don't know, when you transfer a domain name you do not lose the remaining registration time at the your current registrar. You pay the new registrar for an additional year, and the domain transfers over good through the original expiration plus that year - just like if you had renewed it for a year at the current registrar. So if you've been putting it off to "get the timing right", don't!

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I find it strange that it's so normalised to consider something as invasive and manipulative as advertising as the standard method of monetisation. How about trying to make a product so good that it has some intrinsic value that a user wants to pay for?

Because people won't pay, especially not on Google Play. Even if people do buy it and it's mildly successful, a company from a country where work costs less will clone it and offer it for free with ads - and no price can compete with free.

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HAL was envisioned based on an early approach to AI. Modern AI techniques really don’t fit that model.

Modern AI techniques also don't really work as well as many think; they're awesome, but the hype far exceeds the reality. (For example, self-driving cars are very far away.) A HAL-like approach is actually better for most purposes I've encountered than “throw the problem at a deep neural net”.

The hype is excessive, but a lot of stuff is good enough for the real world even if it’s far from perfect.

Self driving crashes for example are rare enough to make the news. That might not be good enough, but it is a very high bar. We crossed a threshold where it’s significantly more dangerous for someone do 90+MPH on the open road than set their car to do 5 over the speed limit and take a nap on that same trip.

That’s a long way from level 5, but Honda has approval to operate at level 3 where drivers don’t have to monitor road conditions under specific conditions. https://carbuzz.com/news/honda-reveals-first-level-3-self-dr...

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