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U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crackdown

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Re: U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crackdown

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> Despite their ire, most Republicans have not backed the report's proposed changes in antitrust law but instead discussed stripping social media companies of legal protections they are accorded under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. The law gives companies immunity over content posted on their sites by users. Most of what I have heard Republicans focusing on has been "anti-Conservative bias" in social…

> Most of what I have heard Republicans focusing on has been “anti-Conservative bias” in social media platform, but I don’t understand how limiting Section 230 protections would address that.

The idea is to return to the non-online liability regime where reduced (distributor, notice-based) liability for unlawful content generally requires the absence of involvement in crafting/altering/moderating content (though it does allow binary select/not-select, including with an ideological bias.) 230 allows immunity to publisher (on its face, and as applied by the courts even distributor) liability so long as its terms are met.

This probably wouldn’t help the cause Republicans nominally seek to advance with it (though it would help the cause of narrowing political engagement that they are pursuing through every other means, which suggests an alternative motivation to the public one), since while it might encourage providers to not moderate content from users while continuing to allow them to distribute material on the site, it would encourage blanket bans like the one Trump received, at a minimum, or shutting off public access entirely; its dubious that free public distribution, even with ad support, is viable online with distributor liability generally applied , and its clear it is not with publisher liability generally applied. Responding to notice of unlawful content on more than a best-effort basis (as distributor liability would require) is very hard to scale, and preemptively preventing it entirely as publisher liability would require absolutely does not scale.

Re: U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crackdown

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Target creates knock offs (Up+Up brand) for almost all the household products they sell. They're placed directly next to the item from the known brand, such as Neutrogena. I would say if anything, the known brand item is more front and center, but it's impossible to ignore the adjacent facsimile that's 2/3 the price.

FYI, “knock offs” has the same meaning as counterfeit. Target sells “generics” under their Up+Up brands.

knockoff means imitation https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/knockoff https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/knockof...

Re: U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crackdown

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> One thing repealing section 230 would definitely do is bring big tech business operations to a screeching halt. Not all big tech business, just the no-prior-review dissemination of user-generated content. EDIT : At least, without some kind of financial protection against publication liability, such as the user providing indemnification with proof of adequate liability coverage. So, things like say Github Enterprise…

You're right, I should have said "social media" instead of "big tech".

While I quibble with your original presentation, the impact is much bigger than “social media” as usually understood; see my edit. While it wouldn’t kill big tech, it would radically transform big tech and every person, business, and other entity that interacts with it.

It might not be the single biggest economy-slowing piece of legislation adopted in the history of the US, but…ok, yeah, it definitely would be.

Re: U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crackdown

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> How can Amazon be allowed to sell competing products in their own marketplace, when they own the actual marketplace? They should have been forced to divide their busin Depends on how you define “marketplace”. Costco/Walmart/Best Buy/Target/Home Depot/Lowe’s/grocery stores all sell their own brands next to competing brands in their stores. Is their one store the marketplace? It takes considerably more effort to go t…

> It takes considerably more effort to go to a different store than going to a different website. Not if the different website becomes hard to find because first pages of Google's search results are sold to better bidders.

googles front page for any term is already "what we think is best." it's their discretion, their opinion, they have no obligation to be fair.

if somebody paid for rank, the FTC requires them to disclose the sponsorship.

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The standard for antitrust enforcement for decades has been when the action of a company harms consumers. How does Amazon harm consumers? I mean precisely, how? Amazon is one of the most highly rated companies in the US by its customers. Its NPS score is 69 and 70 is considered "world class". I can get almost anything online shipped to my house the SAME DAY. If Amazon sends you the wrong item they'll let you keep the…

“The standard for decades”... the article is about a new laws being proposed because the current laws don’t properly account for the harms monopoly actors cause.

Isn't that itself very suspicious that they are going all Calvinball and changing the rules which long stood out of the blue?

Now they say it is a monopoly is a problem after Walmart managed to become the biggest employer in several states and literally becoming the only option in many areas? Now they cite vague unspecified harms while long ignoring concrete ones and claim the ones with no ability to exclude from the market are too far? That just screams "pretext".

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People use Google because the algorithm is a black box that is constantly updated to keep away black hat SEO crap. An open web page ranking algorithm is useless in an adversarial environment. There is no current signal that can’t be trivially gained that doesn’t effectively require mass user surveillance (to see “what’s really popular”). > 2. “This is why the search engine company should be separate from the company…

> An open web page ranking algorithm is useless in an adversarial environment. Anybody with Search experience confirm or deny this claim?

I have experience, and this is trivially true. Search engines can only look at proxies for relevance , as General AI hasn't been achieved yet. Proxies can always be gamed.

Re: U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crackdown

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> Despite their ire, most Republicans have not backed the report's proposed changes in antitrust law but instead discussed stripping social media companies of legal protections they are accorded under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. The law gives companies immunity over content posted on their sites by users. Most of what I have heard Republicans focusing on has been "anti-Conservative bias" in social…

>Most of what I have heard Republicans focusing on has been "anti-Conservative bias" in social media platform, but I don't understand how limiting Section 230 protections would address that.

It's a meaningless flag to gather behind, not something they ever wanted to actually do. They can shout their support because they know the Democrats will stop it and thus fall into the "bad guy" role. It's a wedge issue now.

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wow, you're not kidding. what are the chances they are going to bite their main investments and key donor class? "About 98% of political contributions from internet companies this cycle went to Democrats" https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/02/tech-billionaire-2020-electi... https://observer.com/2020/11/big-tech-2020-presidential-elec... https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/10/30/21540616/silicon-valle...

Obama's campaign manager said that Facebook flat out told them "we're on the same side" when they allowed them to abuse the same API Cambridge Analytica did.

Facebook, like all corporations, play every politician.

What do you think Trump and Zuckerberg talked about when they would have dinner at the White House?

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> How does literally every single other platform manage this? AFAIK none of Android, Windows, the many Unix-like OSs, even Apple's MacOs have such restrictions on browser apps. They don’t. All of those platforms are less secure than iOS.

And yet iOS exploits are cheaper than Android exploits because iOS exploits are so plentiful[1][2]. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2020/05/14/zerodium_ios_flaws/ [2] http://zerodium.com/program.html

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Re: U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crackdown

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> How does literally every single other platform manage this? AFAIK none of Android, Windows, the many Unix-like OSs, even Apple's MacOs have such restrictions on browser apps. They don’t. All of those platforms are less secure than iOS.

And yet iOS exploits are cheaper than Android exploits because iOS exploits are so plentiful[1][2]. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2020/05/14/zerodium_ios_flaws/ [2] http://zerodium.com/program.html

That’s a function of unsold inventory and the usefulness of exploits and nothing to do with the number of possible exploits.
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