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I think Adobe offers were even more confusing few years ago. This is not honest company, gently speaking.

I have another good example. I bought an Adobe license few years ago, and as a business in EU, I had to bought in excluding VAT, and pay VAX tax here locally. I provided my valid EU-VAT, price dropped to net price in interface (let's say 100 EUR), in confirmation, and even in invoice I get. However, to my surprise, my credit card was charged with full gross price (123EUR), meaning I lost 23% of purchase - as I was obligated to pay VAT anyway second time, as there was 0 VAT tax on the invoice.

Well, such things happen, you may think. This should be childishly easy to fix with support, as clearly amount from the invoice and amount charged simply didn't match. However, after dozen attempts with support, dealing with various support level people from Adobe support from India, not knowing even what the VAT tax is, and without any interest on helping me out, I had to give up. I decided to use PayPal protection for buyers, as transaction was made through the PayPal. Tu my surprise, despite clear evidence, they rejected claim after consultation with Adobe, without providing any reason. So I decided to not deal with those thieves any more and called my bank to fill chargeback request. It was so clear, that they recognised the request the next day and returned the money.

Takeaways are: - Adobe is a shady corporation focused on robbing their customers, with other examples you can find online I cannot call that otherwise (among others, deceptive offers, blocking perpetual licenses, and as in my case simply stealing money from customers credit cards) - PayPal protections are completely useless, even with so clear cases - It's good to make transactions with shady companies with credit cards.

Re: Adobe charges subscription cancellation fee

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You're getting lots of replies from (I presume) Americans, who are used to much scammier business behavior than what I know from Germany and you describe in Australia. One related example is the pervasive practice in America of displaying a price without fees (like "resort fees" for hotels that can be +50%) and of course taxes, with the actual price only becoming apparent after additional effort is invested in the ch…

The exact same thing (monthly fee, 12 or 24 month contract) is very common in Germany for mobile phone and home internet plans.

The complaint here isn't that there is a contract; it's that the user is deceived by dark patterns into thinking they've entered a plan with no contract.

By contrast, going to tmobile.de or blau.de, even without speaking German it's extremely clear that prices are based on 24-month contracts. Never is the monthly price mentioned without a clear label below it indicating 24 month terms. Blau even takes it a step further and places the text twice in the box, once in the UI and another time directly below the price.

Re: Adobe charges subscription cancellation fee

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I got hit with this a few years back. I signed up for Ps CC for a month (I thought) to create an anniversary gift for my wife. I used it ONCE. Tried to cancel and they told me I had in fact signed up for a year, and that if I didn't cancel now, they'd give me two months free. I didn't want it at all! Anyway, I sucked it up, got on with the remainder of the year, because they wouldn't let me put the cancellation in ea…

I use a very simple solution for this: whenever I'm handing my credit card information to some service, if there is a slightest chance of such bullshit (which is always the case with any subscription-based service), I just use a virtual card with just enough money on it to pay for whatever I intend to pay. Then they can prolong the subscription, sneak their stupid extras all they want.

This may work in the US (does it, really?) but mostly not in Europe. If the service provider thinks you are a subscriber and don't pay, you will eventually end up in collections. You can't just "stop paying", that will not terminate your subscription.

Re: Adobe charges subscription cancellation fee

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This is disingenuous at best, and fraudulent at worst - and I know ACCC in Australia will take a very dim view. Take the main page for instance, the one you linked - it lists monthly prices. No mention whatsoever of "annual pricing paid monthly" - it's JUST monthly mentioned. Pic: https://imgur.com/sZPfFDI When you click "See plans and pricing details" it gives you the Annual monthly and ACTUAL monthly prices. Pic: h…

To me this is a very intuitive presentation of pricing, so not sure what you are referring to as a dark pattern. There are three clearly laid-out options: 1. No contract, pay monthly 2. Annual contract, pay monthly (cheaper than 1) 3. Annual contract, pay in one go (cheaper than 1 & 2) You pick one of the three options and check out. Where exactly is the confusion?

The dark pattern is that "pay monthly" is just an installment option for the annual contract.

It's not a subscription per month, and it's not marked as such.

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Not sure if I'm missing something, but the pricing of Creative Cloud has always been made very clear from the order form: "Monthly Plan - £75.85/mo" "Annual plan, paid monthly - £49.94/mo" "Annual plan, prepaid - £596.33" I can't see how there's any confusion here, or do they only show the options like this in the UK? Also I just upgraded from Premiere Pro to the Creative Cloud and was given the full upgrade T&Cs, in…

You might be missing that you're getting double charged, as I was after I upgraded my subscription last year. They started the new subscription but didn't cancel the old one, so I got billed for both until I caught and fixed it last month.

Re: Adobe charges subscription cancellation fee

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I dunno, if someone presents me with two options: - Annual plan, paid monthly: $50 / month - Monthly plan: $75 / month Then of course there is going to be a catch to the first one. I cannot imagine anyone being so naive they’d just assume both plans are the same aside from the price...

This comment is so tone deaf. Tons of people will be so naive as to either not read closely, or just not know that the cheaper one comes with a catch.

It’s really hard to not blame the people that do ‘not closely’ read the 10 words they need to read to not get fucked by their $75 / month subscription.

Like, some basic due diligence when spending a lot of money is normal right?

Re: Adobe charges subscription cancellation fee

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I got hit with this a few years back. I signed up for Ps CC for a month (I thought) to create an anniversary gift for my wife. I used it ONCE. Tried to cancel and they told me I had in fact signed up for a year, and that if I didn't cancel now, they'd give me two months free. I didn't want it at all! Anyway, I sucked it up, got on with the remainder of the year, because they wouldn't let me put the cancellation in ea…

I don't know where you live, but I live in the Netherlands and here it is illegal to bill you for a second year of a subscription automatically. After year one, you can cancel at any time (with, I think, a month of notice period).

Re: Adobe charges subscription cancellation fee

#368

Things like this are a great use-case for privacy.com, or any other service that offers burner cards. Set a monthly limit, or make it one-time, etc. and make sure the company can't charge you more than you've specified. I'm not affiliated with them, but I'm a fan of their product.

What would stop Adobe selling the unpaid amount as a bad debt to a collections agency in this case? I have been hounded by debt collectors for far smaller amounts that slipped through the net.

Re: Adobe charges subscription cancellation fee

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Yeah, I was prepared to be outraged, but when I saw the pricing page I had to agree that it’s really, really obvious what you are signing up for.

Can‘t speak for the current page but some year (1 actually) I signed up for a monthly plan to extract some InDesign into SVG/PDF. After I was done, I cancelled the plan and Adobe mailed me something like „sad to see you go here‘s a free month“. What I didn‘t know and did not see ond the sign-up page was that I actually signed up for a YEARLY plan and I had to pay a huge cancellation fee. There was no indiciation or m…

I agree that sounds shitty. I’m not trying to say Adobe isn’t shady as hell, it’s just that the page mentioned in OP isn’t.

Re: Adobe charges subscription cancellation fee

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I got hit with this a few years back. I signed up for Ps CC for a month (I thought) to create an anniversary gift for my wife. I used it ONCE. Tried to cancel and they told me I had in fact signed up for a year, and that if I didn't cancel now, they'd give me two months free. I didn't want it at all! Anyway, I sucked it up, got on with the remainder of the year, because they wouldn't let me put the cancellation in ea…

It really should be illegal.

We make it legal when we click agree on the TOS
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