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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by kjakm »

patorjk wrote: post #57
basisword wrote: post #13

>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.

Wait, you left off the next sentence, which is very important: > Whether Rogan understood that several dozen shows were being removed — and may still be getting removed — is also unclear. 42 of his shows have been removed. Even out of 1631 shows, that seems like more than a few. For $100 million he may not care, but for general listeners its a little unnerving that Spotify would be doing this. I'm a grown adult, I ca…

I left off the next sentence specifically because it’s pure speculation on the point of the author who seems to have zero inside knowledge.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by HaggardFinical »

toshk wrote: post #55
basisword wrote: post #13

>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.

He often stated that nothing will change and no censorship would take place because of the move to spotify. For many he was one of the last credible places that would give a place to more extreme voices, even if he might not agree. For years he actively advocated free speech and integrity. Commercially it might be part of the deal, but it's understandable many of his listeners feel like he sold out.

You don't get 100M$ for hosting a podcast without selling out at least a little bit.

Still, Joe openly being an absolute COVID Karen should give people some idea about how much influence Spotify has on what he says.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by alkonaut »

prepend wrote: post #355
alkonaut wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Spotify isn’t promoting Alex Jones with a big table in the center. It’s just part of the catalog. I think this collaboration goes a bit further than their regular catalog but ok I agree there is a difficult line to draw here > My concern with your reasoning, and if enough people think similarly to you, is that people don’t like lots of people. I think that’s unavoidable that people object to a tiny bit of content s…

Note that the government never passed any laws to censor music, the industry did it themselves. I guess it sucked less that Walmart and the music labels censored rather than government, but still sucked and was a negative for society. I think the issue is that there’s no single moral authority and if I expect companies to meet my moral standards then maybe one day they meet someone else’s and that will suck. I’d rath…

Outlets always censor themselves and always did. Where to draw the line is obviously up to each outlet. A record store might be able to sell the rap songs about killing cops because they are confident that they can be seen as offering a wide selection and not merely promoting violence. A record store that only sold that kind of music should rightly be questioned about their motives.

Radio stations are more careful about music selection than record stores, because they are seen as choosing their music making it an expression of their opinion and not their customers. They play it next to messages from sponsors who don't want to be associated with everything and so on. Spotify is obviously closer to record store than radio station, but they do have commercial messages.

(A note for younger readers, a "record store" was a kind of brick and mortar shop where songs were sold engraved onto physical artifacts).

But (and this I think is key): Even record stores have always entirely stayed away from some material. Not just the material that is illegal, but also material that is simply offensive or objectionable. They put Parental Advisory stickers on rap albums, but no main street record stores carried nazi music, for example, even though there was never a shortage of it, and it was never outlawed in many countries. If a band was known as a nazi music band, they weren't showing up on record store shelves with their non-nazi album either. That is - they were boycotted as artists, not merely some objectionable content. I'd put Alex Jones (but not many more of JRE guests) in the "Nazi band" bucket. The ones that record stores didn't have on shelves because customers, owners, employees etc wouldn't stand for it.

My point is: this isn't some "woke" phenomenon of cancel culture. It's the way it's always been.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by finnthehuman »

kodah wrote: post #349
JPKab wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My opinion matters to Spotify executives only so much as me being a paying customer of their platform. They are free to make whatever decisions they want, but are obligated by law to make decisions that benefit their investors. If you are a paying Spotify customer, then yes, your opinion matters to the executives. Expressing my opinion on a message board isn't a claim that the executives should listen to me.

> They are free to make whatever decisions they want, but are obligated by law to make decisions that benefit their investors. I'm unaware of any law which requires a business to make money for investors. A business can promise to pay dividends and they can speculate on where their stock can be at a future date, but there is no legal recourse if they lose money.

It's a meme about the case Dodge vs Ford Motor, but all that case said was you can't actively screw your shareholders. Henry Ford had a cash surplus and was deliberately trying to avoid paying dividends to the Dodge brothers.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by kodah »

finnthehuman wrote: post #364
kodah wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are free to make whatever decisions they want, but are obligated by law to make decisions that benefit their investors. I'm unaware of any law which requires a business to make money for investors. A business can promise to pay dividends and they can speculate on where their stock can be at a future date, but there is no legal recourse if they lose money.

It's a meme about the case Dodge vs Ford Motor, but all that case said was you can't actively screw your shareholders. Henry Ford had a cash surplus and was deliberately trying to avoid paying dividends to the Dodge brothers.

Oh, yeah that makes sense. TIL

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by xnx »

idownvoted wrote: post #69

Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? Their users? Their content creators? Or rather their staff? All 3 groups could be possible reasons. But given how little median content creators matter to the organization, users and staff are more likely. But if it were the users, then why buy Joe Rogan's users at all? Especially at a record braking price? This makes me believe it's more likely staff. If that is the case one h…

I'm pretty sure I read corporations are supposed to try and act in the interest of their shareholders. The preferences of users, content creators, and staff are all secondary to shareholders.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by RickJWagner »

slg wrote: post #259
imgabe wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Spotify has a policy that says they won't host certain content. Rogan and his guests have a history of saying things that don't fit that content policy. Citation needed This is Spotify's content policy: https://support.spotifyforpodcasters.com/hc/en-us/articles/3... Assuming we're not talking about infringing or illegal content, we're left to conclude that Rogan "promotes, advocates, or incites hatred or violence a…

I don't listen to Rogan. I can't speak to the specifics of what he says on his podcast. I know that he has had on multiple recurring guests that have been deplatformed elsewhere such as Alex Jones and Milo Yiannopoulos. Rogan also can't seem to go more than a few months without receiving accusations of transphobia[1]. You are also welcome to click through the link in my previous comment and see the issue discussed in…

I do a lot of walking and listen to podcasts when I do it.

I've listened to quite a few Rogan podcasts, I have never heard anything overly objectionable. (I have heard some stuff that was maybe critical of some parts of my own life, but I was ok with it.) Rogan is very entertaining, you might try some and see if you like it.

Also: I've found that I sometimes find podcasts featuring people I completely disagree with. I find that when I listen to these, I frequently learn interesting things. I'm sometimes offended a bit, but I knew that going in. I may be fooling myself, but I think it's making me a more well-rounded person.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by RickJWagner »

slg wrote: post #268
imgabe wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do listen to Rogan and I'm aware of the trans controversy. What he actually took issue with was a trans woman who fought in women's MMA without telling her competitors that she was trans . This creates a serious safety risk in what is already a dangerous sport, and it was irresponsible of her to lie. Rogan didn't even say trans women shouldn't compete, just that they should disclose it so the people they're fightin…

You are not being honest about Rogan's opinions on trans athletes. He does not want trans women competing against cisgender women.[1] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e0qwXgjjDA&t=120s

Total honesty on this one: I don't think it's right, either.

Biological males are just stronger, in general.

It provides a disadvantage to biological females.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ethbr0 »

klyrs wrote: post #319
krapp wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"your 1,000 closest friends?"

Sarcasm really doesn't help online communication. I think they're referring to a phenomenon called "dogpiling" where a twitterer says something about a person they don't like, and their followers have a field day trashing the person. The phenomenon isn't new, but the magnitude is. Come to think of it, maybe just the speed and availability. Mass letter writing campaigns are totally a thing, but they require significan…

The push (vs pull) / broadcasting nature seems different to me.

Previously, more interaction was personal and ephemeral. If I said something to someone on the street, maybe the 5 closest people heard me.

In a small town, word would probably get around in ~2 weeks of social interactions, if it was scandalous enough.

Now, on the majority of social media platforms, if you reply to me then all of my friends + all of your friends immediately see the reply. Both the broadcasting and immediacy seem relatively novel.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by stjohnswarts »

toshk wrote: post #55
basisword wrote: post #13

>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.

He often stated that nothing will change and no censorship would take place because of the move to spotify. For many he was one of the last credible places that would give a place to more extreme voices, even if he might not agree. For years he actively advocated free speech and integrity. Commercially it might be part of the deal, but it's understandable many of his listeners feel like he sold out.

Well most adults at a certain age start to realize that not everyone needs to get heard especially if they incite hate like Alex Jones and quackery like some of the medical guests. The agreement with spotify allows that and JR is $100 million richer and has already stated he doesn't care. I'm sure there's a limit but a rate of far less than 5% is probably just fine with him.
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