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In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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Anyone have any opinions on the state of image search? What do you use? I find Google Image search, which I used to love, filled with absolute garbage now. 90% of links are to Pinterest which greets you with usual overlays, signup modals etc. I use DDG's image search because I find Google's search unusable. Also, Yandex image search is probably the best reverse image search on the market. It's crazy how much better i…

Try image searching for "happy white women" vs "happy women" vs "happy black women" then compare it to the results in DDG. It is very interesting, not sure if it is political or the algorithm found that when people look for "happy white women" they mean it in this context of the results.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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Google results have gotten dramatically worse over this last decade. Google now seems to fixate on the most common terms in my query and returns the most generic results for my geographic area. And, it seems like quotes and the old google-fu techniques are just ignored or are no longer functional. There are a whole host of factors behind this, but I'm certain that the switch to Natural Language Processing / Semantic…

I started writing down the search queries for such bad results from different search engines to publish one day a 'Search Engine Wall of Shame'. But this needs to be public effort to create any meaningful action from search engines. How many of you would be willing to contribute to such platform by submitting your bad search results?

Update: I have created a post on this with some examples on my problem validation platform[1].

[1] https://needgap.com/problems/207-search-engine-wall-of-shame...

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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and reddit has gotten much less useful with all their push for login and using their app...

Use the Teddit frontend ( https://teddit.net/ ) and the Redirector extension ( https://einaregilsson.com/redirector/ ) to redirect all Reddit links to Teddit and view the content there. You won't be bothered by pushes for login again.

there is also https://libredd.it

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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post #310

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> I don't believe for a second that Google's algorithms are unable to identify and remove content marketing blogspam. Easy for me to believe. They have to use some formula, and as soon as they change it, well, there's a massive industry dedicated to getting around it. If their algorithm is just "filter out what's useless", that's AGI.

Then what’s the point of using Google? In terms of AGI, we have that if Google where to say employ people to look at say the top million searches and heavily penalize junk they could make real headway. Personally, I swapped to DuckDuckGo in 2019 and have been consistently happier but Bing or whatnot is probably equally valid at this point.

If they curated like that, esp with employees, they'd open themselves to an infinite number of lawsuits.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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post #310

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> I don't believe for a second that Google's algorithms are unable to identify and remove content marketing blogspam. Easy for me to believe. They have to use some formula, and as soon as they change it, well, there's a massive industry dedicated to getting around it. If their algorithm is just "filter out what's useless", that's AGI.

Then what’s the point of using Google? In terms of AGI, we have that if Google where to say employ people to look at say the top million searches and heavily penalize junk they could make real headway. Personally, I swapped to DuckDuckGo in 2019 and have been consistently happier but Bing or whatnot is probably equally valid at this point.

> we have that if Google where to say employ people to look at say the top million searches and heavily penalize junk

I doubt a million is going to make a dent in it. Content marketers are automatically generating this stuff, and Google has billions of users, many of which will occasionally invent a novel query.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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Agreed with everything above. If I ever X vs Y in google, I append site:reddit.com I'm not a huge fan of Reddit, but it's about the largest forum. I really miss Forum search in Google.

> I really miss Forum search in Google. You may find this useful: https://boardreader.com/

Same! I just tried a few "likely to find in forum" searches and it hit!

Added to my playbook. Thanks again.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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post #267

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One I just recently discovered is symbolhound.com. It's nice because it lets you search for characters that google absolutely refuses to treat as search terms. I needed to debug some makefiles and bash scripts the other day (not my strong suit!) and it helped me understand some of the weird syntax I was seeing. As others have mentioned, Google no longer respecting literal search terms has made it much worse for many…

Ooh thanks! I'll throw that on the list!

Do you ever publish your list?

After reading through this discussion, I am inclined to explore search.

This crap sneaks up on a person one little adaptation at a time.

Searching on Yandex was a wake up call.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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When I search Google now I mostly get spam. “Product vs. Product” -> list of spam websites that just show them side by side with ads. “Product Review” -> same as above, spam. “Product referral code” -> sites with spam and no codes. Interesting web content is in Reddit (and youtube), Google exists as a tool to search Reddit since the “new” Reddit site is awful. Programming questions are mostly stack overflow, but occa…

Quora can be good too, my go to is usually "question reddit", and if that is not sufficient then "question quora". Quora is spammy too though, so it is hit or miss, but when it hits, it hits good.

A lot of us Quorans were putting real insight there. Seriously. First few years was amazing.

As they wound down the top writer program, which is really where the "hits good" seeds are, they decided to pay people to ask questions.

Signal to noise ratio began to trend toward unfavorable. But traffic shot right up!

There have been other decisions contributing to the Quora we see today, but the paid questions really had the most impact in my view.

That said, yeah. There is still a lot of high value contributions to Quora. They are just a little harder to find now.

One thing I feel they missed the boat on was the credits system. Early on one could accumulate those and use them as a sort of currency. I "spent" some of my pile asking specific people for insight and it worked out well. I had others do the same with me.

Basically, one could get to a domain or subject expert and the site was still "family", so it would lead to a high value exchange.

For a little while, their text question UI hinted at what a Quora could be. Well connected Quorans could toss a question in via SMS and get solid responses back, sometimes quickly.

(Came down to follower counts, writer status, and a few other things)

These options were not abused much that I could tell and they hinted at a means to query people without draining said people, and or everyone participating having some give and take.

Was a fleeting moment, but one I ponder from time to time.

I would subscribe to a "group" that has the UX and overall dynamics of something like what I just described right.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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post #176

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I have a cat that is always ravenous for anything edible, even if it's not exactly typical cat fare, e.g., my leftover salad, berries, etc. Trying to search for "can cats eat X" after he manages to get a few sneaky morsels is almost pointless. There are so many spammy sites for every value of X, and I have no idea if it's a sophisticated problem to systematically exclude this type of useless content, but Google's top…

Yep, this is Content Marketing. People use SEO tools to gauge how good a blog post is going to rank, and the current sweet spot seems to be around 1000 words, so they end up filling it with fluff. Some of those are even machine generated. The answer to the "can cats eat X", of course, can't be at the beginning or at the end. The reason is that the user must stay a long time and read the text, otherwise Google punishe…

I have a continued interest in the gopher on steroid that is the gemini protocol. It makes it hard or impossible to have non-static content, and css do not exists. navigation is a bliss, only or obedient bots are talking.

try it here : ssh kiosk@gemini.circumlunar.space

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