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The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by rufus_foreman »

toyg wrote: post #281
rufus_foreman wrote: post #224

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I've heard it claimed that hardcore punk was the last American youth subculture, I think street skating qualified too. Those were pretty much the end of it though. You can't have a youth subculture that your parents drive you to in the car.

Some of those hardcore punks were driven around to the sound of Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Lennon’s “Imagine”... Elvis was utterly scandalous in his time (“those hips, what filth!”), and I bet he was on a lot of radios when Malcolm McLaren and his protégés were growing up. Any successful culture, be it sub- or counter-, will eventually be swallowed by the mainstream. That’s because a culture is such only if it get…

>> Some of those hardcore punks were driven around to the sound of Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Lennon’s “Imagine”.

I was one of those hardcore punks and I think you greatly overestimate both the level of parental involvement we had in our lives as well as our parents' musical tastes.

Hardcore as a youth movement didn't get swallowed by the mainstream, it just ceased to exist.

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Post by juststeve »

giantrobot wrote: post #357
juststeve wrote: post #285

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Shareware and distribution of the game through the internet was a watershed moment that helped sell a lot of Wolfenstein and doom in 1992 and 1993. It is doubtful that a company like Nintendo would distribute a game like doom. PS was a few years after that. Are these statements correct, or hyperbole?

Wolfenstein and Doom's nature as shareware was much less about the Internet distribution but distribution by third parties on physical media. They were almost universally available on magazine cover discs and anyone else shipping CD-ROMs. IIRC even Blender magazine had at least one issue shipping a copy of Doom. While id was certainly an Internet aware company in 1993 most consumers were not. Keep in mind in 1993 a m…

> While id was certainly an Internet aware company in 1993 most consumers were not.

Right, so you agree? This thread is about counter culture, and your talking about generic internet usage facts and % of playstation sales when it went mainstream. I played Wolf and Doom as shareware in Australia when they were released, including Kali.

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

bsder wrote: post #360
krick wrote: post #284

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That's weird. I mean, you do you, but if this is a popular opinion, I had no idea. On the contrary, I'm mildly annoyed when someone calls me to say something that could've said over the text. And I don't think of it as a personal preference: async information exchange is objectively less intrusive, which is why it should be preferred when possible (which isn't always the case, because it's also objectively less fluen…

> On the contrary, I'm mildly annoyed when someone calls me to say something that could've said over the text. And I'm just as annoyed when someone keeps sending me texts when a 5 minute call would have been far more efficient. If we have sent more than 3 back and forths in text, it's time to switch to a call. For me, the twenty-somethings are terrible about this. They are just absolutely allergic to voice communicat…

It really depends on the context. I like having a history of things that are important, and I got more than enough information to keep in my head already. Actively processing voice on someone else's tempo over a crappy mic often leads to mistakes, and the lack of history forces me to ask again when I inevitably forget. Also, the fast-paced nature of voice tends to make people neglect nuance which may be important.

Your idea of efficient may vastly differ from someone else's.

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Post by newsbinator »

keiferski wrote: post #109
imaginationra wrote: post #90

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

YouTube is filled with so many interesting little channels. I wish the algorithms highlighted them more. I remember one channel of an old guy just smoking a cigar for an hour. Said nothing, just sat there. There were thousands of videos of him doing this, going back years. I don’t remember the name of it, unfortunately.

Recommendation for those looking:

/r/artisanvideos

* pleasant guy talking for 45 minutes about his lifetime of experience using chains: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtisanVideos/comments/lyvfzz/just_...

* man weaves a bed: https://www.reddit.com/r/EngineeringPorn/comments/978s2c/man...

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Post by morlockabove »

zxexz wrote: post #266
morlockabove wrote: post #262

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I wonder if you could take payments in bitcoin to print out epubs/pdfs of books in high quality, bind them, and ship them to people. The bitcoin's to avoid the copyright ninjas; you could try to silk-road the whole operation. It'll be easier once we have better drones and automated cars.

Honestly, I'm more inclined to just mail someone some cash in exchange for their services printing/binding/mailing the book back. Seems a little more straightforward than transferring bitcoin and having a noisy drone drop a book on my lawn. Plus, why would I want all my transactions on a public ledger? ;)

Of course, whenever I say bitcoin, think monero. And if you know their address, so do the feds ;)

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Post by helen___keller »

clairity wrote: post #148
helen___keller wrote: post #91

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> By the way, a lot of people here seem to think that the term "counter culture" has positive connotations. It doesn't, necessarily. I would expand on this to say: If society and culture are unjust, then to be moral and just necessitates dipping into counterculture. Example: Participating in the underground railroad would be counter-culture in a society built on slavery. If society and culture are truly just, then th…

this was an interesting point until, > "I would argue that society now is substantially more just than it was for most of human history, and consequently this reflects back on the sort of counter-culture that exists." that's a pretty broad claim, implying that the current counterculture is necessarily unjust because our current society is so relatively just. it's really difficult, likely impossible, to show how the j…

> implying that the current counterculture is necessarily unjust because our current society is so relatively just.

I do avoid stating that implication, as it is not necessarily true. This part is merely my belief

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Post by lm28469 »

lc9er wrote: post #322
krick wrote: post #284

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That's weird. I mean, you do you, but if this is a popular opinion, I had no idea. On the contrary, I'm mildly annoyed when someone calls me to say something that could've said over the text. And I don't think of it as a personal preference: async information exchange is objectively less intrusive, which is why it should be preferred when possible (which isn't always the case, because it's also objectively less fluen…

The argument against texting, for me at least, is that it’s more intrusive (constant interruptions for unimportant things) and interactions end up being less and less meaningful.

I turned off all notifications 5 years ago. No noise, no vibration, no pop-up, no nothing. I doubt I'll ever switch any of these on again

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Post by coldtea »

keiferski wrote: post #55

Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

>Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords.

No, he just covered a general trend about authenticity and examples up to his time.

TFA covers the specifics of today and is about different aspects than what Taylor covered.

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Post by coldtea »

agumonkey wrote: post #289
keiferski wrote: post #55

Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

I think the whole thing is bogus from the start, the 'social media' idea I mean. These are companies.. they're not here to make culture or societies.. they're parasite leeching on your human needs. When a new trends starts organically, it's all impulsive and genuine, then people start to profit on it and the game is over.

>I think the whole thing is bogus from the start, the 'social media' idea I mean. These are companies.. they're not here to make culture or societies..

Nonetheless, they do. Medium is the message and all that.

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