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Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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> "Accuracy remained high (69%) even when controlling for age, gender, and ethnicity." So if I just assign the majority label to all of the population of a given demographics group, I would get the same result right? i.e., predicting "left" for all minorities under 30. You would also get ~70% accuracy.

What do you think 'controlling for age [,etc]' means?

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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I have no idea why this comment got downvoted. This is the most scientific explanation possible. In males, more testosterone induces more risk taking, while low testosterone is linked to risk avoidance. Left-wing policies (“nanny state”) cater to people who avoid risks; people who are risk takers prefer right wing policies. Testosterone also affects muscle growth and facial characteristics.

I've learned some things about testosterone 'cos it's interesting. You're slanting it. People with more testosterone are more unsatisfied, aggressive, sexually driven, restless, and disappointed. This has nothing to do with something as apparently laudable as risk-taking vs. risk-avoiding, and in fact it's quite easy to be loaded with testosterone and yet constantly fretting over enemies and bad stuff you expect to h…

Aggressiveness is only indirectly related to testosterone. Testosterone makes a person defend status. Researchers have created situations where status is determined by generosity, and they found that in these situations the people with more testosterone were more generous.

Aggressiveness is only going to have that association with testosterone when aggressiveness seems like the best strategy to maintain status.

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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Do you have data that includes non-voters? I haven't seen any; most polls are limited to voters.

There were tons of national polls done for Trump's approval that included all adults (instead of likely or registered voters). Trump fared noticeably worse in the polls of all adults throughout his presidency.

Approval isn't the same thing as preference among two choices. Trump received a considerably higher percentage of votes than his approval rating.

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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"controlling for ... ethnicity" There's significant signal buried in here that is likely not controlled for, depending on how granular their controls are. White-German and White-Italian are much more (10-13 percent) likely to be conservative leaning than White-Irish or White-British. Hispanic-Cuban are more likely to be conservative leaning than Hispanic-Mexican.

In the US or generally?

The words conservative and liberal have wildly other meanings outside of the US. Even in the US they are not well agreed upon (especially the definitions, people seem to know which one to pick though when they have to).

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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At some point in grade school I was home sick for a few days and ended up watching C-SPAN for several hours on end. I don't recall exactly what was going on politically during that time, but many congresspersons were standing up and giving speeches for a few minutes at a time. I eventually started a game in my mind where I'd try to guess their political affiliation before the chyron appeared. I'm pretty sure by the e…

Upvoted for your use of chyron

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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The left is literally pushing for the banning of a childhood classic with no racial problems. No slippery slope needed.

That isn't true. There was a scholarly paper that came out in 2019 observing that a few of Dr Seuss's many children's books included racial stereotypes that are dated to the point of being offensive, and that Geisel/Seuss had also produced a lot of adult cartoons that were overtly racist, a complicating factor for educators who used his books to to educate children about discrimination. https://sophia.stkate.edu/cgi/…

Ebay is banning accounts that sell Dr. Seuss books. Fact.

The outrage over racial overtones came from a left aligned organization. Fact.

It was carried on and cheered on by left leaning people. Fact.

People on the right don’t use words like “problematic” and “racialized undertones”

That’s on you guys.

This is from The horses mouth:

“ Six popular Dr. Seuss books — including And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street and If I Ran the Zoo — “will stop being published because of racist and insensitive imagery, the business that preserves and protects the author’s legacy said Tuesday,” The Associated Press reported.

“These books portray people in ways that are hurtful and wrong,” Dr. Seuss Enterprises told The Associated Press in a statement marking the late author and illustrator’s birthday.”

^ The above is just stupid.

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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I can see making inferences from dress, makeup, style, etc. But, this is surprising; “facial morphology” This skims somewhat close to people who tried to infer criminality from facial and cranial characteristics... a century ago

A century ago, phrenology failed.

Would it fail if you added a modern AI? How about if you had an MRI that provided more-direct information for the AI model? Feeding actual brain structure data into an AI is far more sophisticated than measuring heads and feeling for lumps.

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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From the article: > Accuracy remained high (69%) even when controlling for age, gender, and ethnicity.

I'm not sure this is enough. If you classify all old white men as Republican you can have 69% accuracy. I'd even argue the more such factors you control the less it means something.

I think you misunderstand what "controlled for" means in this case. The way the controlled version of the test works is that two pictures are presented at the same time. Both subjects will be of the same gender, the same ethnicity, and (approximately) the same age. The goal of the test is to choose which of the subjects pictured is conservative, and which is not. There is no way to obtain greater than 50% accuracy by choosing "old white men", because both pictures will be of "old white men" (or "young black women", or whatever). Something else in the photo is being used to obtain the boost in accuracy: perhaps facial hair, perhaps obesity, perhaps apparent youthfulness, perhaps a guess at sub-ethnicity, perhaps pose---but it has to be something other than "old white man".

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea why this comment got downvoted. This is the most scientific explanation possible. In males, more testosterone induces more risk taking, while low testosterone is linked to risk avoidance. Left-wing policies (“nanny state”) cater to people who avoid risks; people who are risk takers prefer right wing policies. Testosterone also affects muscle growth and facial characteristics.

I've learned some things about testosterone 'cos it's interesting. You're slanting it. People with more testosterone are more unsatisfied, aggressive, sexually driven, restless, and disappointed. This has nothing to do with something as apparently laudable as risk-taking vs. risk-avoiding, and in fact it's quite easy to be loaded with testosterone and yet constantly fretting over enemies and bad stuff you expect to h…

Haha every older man I know who does testosterone is more satisfied and overall happier. Where did you find this?

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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post #289

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In the US or generally?

The words conservative and liberal have wildly other meanings outside of the US. Even in the US they are not well agreed upon (especially the definitions, people seem to know which one to pick though when they have to).

Some dumbed down US conservative principles. A conservative may only care about some of these.

Financial: balanced budget types.

Government: Common defense, otherwise minimal.

Responsibility: Your job to feed and cloth yourself.

Morals: don’t kill babies.

Religious: Act like God watches you and you will be judged.

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