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Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by swebs »

xkeysc0re wrote: post #183
Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

And his claim was refuted in mere minutes. An extremely disingenuous argument on his behalf. Glenn has done great work in the past for which he should be commended, but these days he's a contrarian in search of hot takes. It's just how the Twitter / Patreon journalist economy operates. He will throw a huge hissy fit about the mainstream media but then happily go on Fox News with Tucker.

I'm not familiar enough with Twitter's UI to navigate it properly. Could you link the refutation?

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Post by madhadron »

DataWorker wrote: post #272
Nacdor wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The story does confirm he wasn't there though, not sure if he had been released by then: > Tarrio does not appear to have been present during the insurrection.

And if he was arrested prior that indicates some awareness in advance of what might have unfolded. I’m probably alone in the opinion that it shouldn’t have been given the go ahead, especially amidst a pandemic. Protests seem unreasonably dangerous in today’s world.

He had an outstanding warrant in DC. They picked up him when he arrived.

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Post by cudgy »

bigtones wrote: post #94

1). AWS can suspend service for any customer immediately upon giving that customer notice. They do not have to provide a "remediation period" or give the customer any grace time at all. Every customer agrees to this as part of the AWS Customer Agreement 2). AWS can terminate an account immediately if they deem you in violation of their policies instead of a suspension - as was the case with Parler. It's all in the AW…

If that is so, why would any company that has a critical business utilize these cloud services? For example, a 911 emergency software provider, a law enforcement agency, a hospital or other medical organization, political organizations, religious organization, or any other organization that either has critical services to deploy or may get caught in the crosshairs of a political movement.

I think given these events companies should reassess the risk of using these cloud services and the potential for disruption of their businesses going forward.

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Post by swebs »

CyanLite2 wrote: post #256
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #206

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How many protesters arrested in the 2020 Summer protests had a twitter account?

There's a big difference between protesting and domestic terrorism.

I'd count burning down a police station as domestic terrorism.

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Post by tomatotomato37 »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #287
meekrohprocess wrote: post #132

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What's wrong with targeting ads based on subject matter? TV channels and magazines know how this works. If the page is about fashion, sell ad space to clothing companies. If the page is about travel, sell it to hospitality companies and tourism boards. If the page is about politics or finance, sell it to people making catheters and stair lifts. It's much less creepy than trying to spy on everybody who reads the page,…

My cofounder and I used to manage a £100k/year ad budget and we did TV, news papers, radio and Facebook. The level of engagement and ROI on Facebook was insane compared to the others specifically because we could tweak and cohort up the audience so specifically - we even commented how terrifyingly powerful it was and that it was a good job we were only selling a home efficiency central heating product because in “the…

How much of that was useful engagement though? One of the hot topics a week ago was ad fraud being so prevalent on Facebook and Google that it caused Uber to shift their whole strategy

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25623858

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Post by senkora »

yellowpencil wrote: post #142
meekmockmook wrote: post #17

I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

> antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy Almost zero chance this happens, imo. Big tech spent _heavily_ on Democrats (98% of contributions [0]) and the Democrats have complete control for the next 4 years. an awfully prescient allocation of funds. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/02/tech-billionaire-2020-electi...

Nit: Congressional elections are held every two years, so complete control may disappear in 2022.

If you’re implicitly depending on the presidential veto to block Republican attempts if they take control of congress, then yeah that’s fair.

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Post by metiscus »

djsumdog wrote: post #162
burke wrote: post #87

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A salient difference is that Big Tech will at least pay lip service to the idea of moderation, when push comes to shove. Parler is founded on the idea of absolutely unmoderated speech. Even if they win this one, the writing is on the wall for them. EDIT: This is not as true as I thought. Interesting information below!

> Big Tech will at least pay lip service to the idea of moderation You are not really watching if you think that is what is happening. They are controlling the narrative. They are promoting some topics and pushing down other. Facebook deleted WalkAway, a group that had full moderation, did not allow any posts which called for violence, and which was pure political speech. Reddit is deleting each and every sub that go…

I believe that companies are largely on their own team, neither right nor left. How long before labor begins to be de-platformed for unionization efforts in the big tech companies? I know that there are already allegations that Amazon is acting in an extremely anti-labor way. Will the current argument of "platforms have a right to choose what content they will allow on their service" (which is a common argument for what is going on, among others) also apply in the case that pro-unionization groups are removed? These organisms will do whatever is necessary to protect themselves from what they perceive as threats, both external (political) and internal (labor).

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Post by nullc »

afuchs wrote: post #324
nullc wrote: post #299

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If the allegations about hunters laptop were transparently fraudulent, why do the gmail originated messages pass DKIM validation?

> If the allegations about hunters laptop were transparently fraudulent, why do the gmail originated messages pass DKIM validation? The refusal to release the full messages with complete headers was a point of contention in the original reporting of this story. If enough information was released, to let the public inspect the messages and verify the DKIM signatures themselves, this is a new development that goes beyo…

https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/hunter-dkim

It's not a very new development, but most or all mention of it was removed on many platforms including on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24942678

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Post by lovecg »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #214
bigtones wrote: post #94

1). AWS can suspend service for any customer immediately upon giving that customer notice. They do not have to provide a "remediation period" or give the customer any grace time at all. Every customer agrees to this as part of the AWS Customer Agreement 2). AWS can terminate an account immediately if they deem you in violation of their policies instead of a suspension - as was the case with Parler. It's all in the AW…

Ah, so we're back to "The bakery did nothing wrong."

Everyone keeps bringing up Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission these last few days, but it seems very few people actually know what was decided in the case. The Supreme Court didn’t want to get its hands dirty with this issue so it was a very narrow reversal. Specifically, they said that the Civil Rights Commission was not neutral in it’s consideration, comparing the treatment of the baker (where the commissioner said that invoking freedom of religion is “one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use”) to other cases where non-discrimination exceptions were granted when bakers refused to make cakes with anti-same sex marriage messaging. The question is still legally open.

I personally think it’s ridiculous to argue that the baker’s right to free expression is involved in this. But then again we have people boycott service providers for their choices of customers all the time.

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Post by mech422 »

adrr wrote: post #327
mech422 wrote: post #89

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not to pick on you... but customers like you are probably why AWS is taking the position they are. They don't want to risk other customers just to keep parler. That actually sounds like something a profit motivated company would do.... no conspiracies required. edit: should probably note, customers/advertisers have boycotted companies before for having a whiff of scandal around them..

Sendgrid is a good example. We moved to mandrill because we don’t want any drama with our vendors. Sendgrid was ddosed over some drama with their evangelist and it affected our business. Last thing I want to do is having to explain to my exec team that our emails aren’t going out because of a vendor choice I made.

Yeah - I vaguely remember that. And this economy is not the time to take unnecessary risks with your livelihood.
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