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Re: School or Prison

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Post by sneak »

ineedasername wrote: post #255
hoka-one-one wrote: post #246

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"I didn't get into college because I had to use the bathroom during class a lot" - no one, ever Just turn on your voice recorder and go.

I don't know about how things usually are because my kids aren't in HS yet, but I do know that their school district, during distance learning, has a blanket policy that parents are not allowed to record the teaching sessions. So I wouldn't be too surprised if voice recorders aren't allowed in many schools as well.

It sounds like that policy needs to be broken as thoroughly and consistently as possible, provided that you are in a one-party consent state.

I can't imagine any good reason for that policy other than covering for terrible people.

Re: School or Prison

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Post by escape_goat »

justinclift wrote: post #355
escape_goat wrote: post #349

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Fair enough, I've restated that.

> if you do not understand that then consider that perhaps a life in which most problems are inherently tractable, [...] does not actually leave you with a correct understanding of your ability to understand or solve complex problems in the world. Ugh. That's not really any better. You're still effectively saying the person is an idiot / incapable of reasonable thinking. :(

Okay, assuming that you understand my point, how would you restate it in a way that didn't imply that a person who engaged in that sort of response was an idiot or capable of reasonable thought?

I don't actually have a problem with people being wrong or not very bright in the comments they make. I have a problem with the arrogance and self-involvement that I feel responding to someone like this — someone who has literally signed up to HN so that they could share a few paragraphs about their life — represents. So if you can do a better job of making the problem with that clear to people who might otherwise make such a mistake, then that would be even better.

Re: School or Prison

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

throwaway998662 wrote: post #266

As someone who's been to prison and school, lots of comments here sound pretty tone deaf. Prison in the USA is really bad. Yes school is authoritarian, but most popular entertainment on prisons downplays how bad it really gets. Watch some interviews of people who have actually been to prison. Murder and rape is common (I saw it happen), you will get your possessions stolen under the threat of murder/rape, you'll prob…

>As someone who's been to prison and school, lots of comments here sound pretty tone deaf.

Now why don't people apply this to everything else? You think HN knows what it's like to be a plumber('s apprentice), janitor, drive a floor buffer for min-wage, etc?

Re: School or Prison

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Post by Dig1t »

ineedasername wrote: post #100

A more meaningful comparison would be bathroom privileges. In prison you can pretty much poop or get a drink of water whenever you want. In school you need special permission, and hope the teacher wasn't in a bad mood or that 3 other kids hadn't needed to pee in the last half hour, meeting some mental quota the teacher has for the appropriate # of people that should have to use the toilet during a given period of tim…

Little freedoms like this, and just being treated like a sane, rational human being were the difference between me doing horribly in school and not giving a shit about anything and excelling in school and loving learning. Plus, for some reason having the freedom to fail and having nobody care made an entire world of a difference for me and was the reason I grew to love academics and learning.

Re: School or Prison

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Post by bitcoinmoney »

throwaway998662 wrote: post #294
nolongerlowres wrote: post #276

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Thank you for posting this. I couldn’t believe the other comments trying to equate schools with prison. It’s unbelievable how we treat prisoners in the US. I wish there was more I could do than vote and donate to causes like the ACLU. Starting to realize that my beliefs are in the minority re: how to treat fellow countrymen, even those who have committed crimes.

I think it's because we as people tend to speak from our experiences, and I do agree that school is more authoritarian than it should be. I'm not sure what else you can do :( it's a really big systemic issue. I think we just need more awareness, first? Social life in prison involves having "friends" who can any day decide to try and rob or fight you (both happened to me with my closest "friend"). Nobody has real frie…

Wow. No words. Thank you for sharing this.

Re: School or Prison

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

smbullet wrote: post #327
escape_goat wrote: post #318

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Could we just not do things like this. I'm sorry to be singling anyone out but there is a pattern here. People, the "well actually" rebuttals that you pull out of thin air in two minutes are not a useful or meaningful response to someone's reportage of their lives experience and do not facilitate the quality of discussion that brought you to HN in the first place, and if you do not understand that then consider that…

Rather than personal attacks you should take the time to actually respond to their comment if you feel so strongly against it.

Why? What purpose does that serve? If he re-butts one there's half a million others ready to take it's place.

This kind of thing only gets solved one way. And it's not pretty.

Re: School or Prison

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Post by hmry »

qwtel wrote: post #306
throwaway998662 wrote: post #298

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Yeah completely agree that's what it's designed for, but to what end? What goal do we think the punishment achieves? The only useful thing about it IMO is preventing truly dangerous/sick people from interacting with the rest of society. Most prisoners are not that

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Implying people who disagree with you only do so because they are like criminals is not a very open mindset.

Re: School or Prison

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Post by thayne »

throwaway998662 wrote: post #298
thayne wrote: post #293

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I know a judge who has said the US "corrections" system is not designed to correct criminals and prevent future crimes. It's designed to punish people.

Yeah completely agree that's what it's designed for, but to what end? What goal do we think the punishment achieves? The only useful thing about it IMO is preventing truly dangerous/sick people from interacting with the rest of society. Most prisoners are not that

Just to be clear my intended point (and the judges point) was that the justice system is broken, not that punishment is a worthwhile goal.

Re: School or Prison

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Post by Noumenon72 »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #297
ineedasername wrote: post #149

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The US. It's not a very dignified setup in prison with 4 people in a cell, but most prisons have a toilet and a sink in each cell.

How can you possibly square "four people living in a cell with an open toilet" with "you can poop whenever you want"?

Is this something that is merely against prison taboos, or would agreeable people in this situation also decide, "It's better for us all to have to hold our poop 23 hours a day than to just bow to the indignity and go when we need to go?" I'm anosmic so for me it would be a no brainer that you go when you need to. The toilet's right there.

Prison food probably means you have to break the taboo some days no matter what.

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