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New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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There's the old joke: "All those present that object to receiving speeding fines please raise your right foot". People object to speeding fines but receiving them is entirely optional. Personally, I'd rather they clamped down harder on tailgating, poor lane discipline and uninsured drivers than on motorway speed limits.

Its the "one size fits all" rule which annoys me. My car will comfortably sit at 110mph all day long, if I'm alone on a motorway in the early hours who am i hurting or endangering? It certainly isn't about safety because that same car will stop from 100mph in less distance than the highway code requires for 70.

> I'm alone on a motorway in the early hours who am i hurting or endangering?

- your loved ones

- the emergency services that have to clean your body off the road

- subsequent road users -- when the road is closed -- to clean your body off the road

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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My main objection is that enforcement, at least in the UK is absolutely useless. The likelihood of actually coming across a speed trap is tiny, the likelihood of coming across a speed trap that isn't one of the ones that are regularly used is close to 0. So it's not like people who speed get fined. It's people who speed and get unlucky get fined (and points). I just think it's bad policy to have relatively huge penal…

Ironically you can pretty much only get caught by the irregular ones if you’re on a quiet road too - otherwise someone will flash you as you approach to let you know. At least in some places anyway.

Motorcyclists tap their helmet or occasionally hold index figure straight up and spin it.

Either works - I've had them do it for me but since I don't speed I just nod and continue my ride.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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I once saw speed cameras as "un-sporting" until travelling elsewhere in the world where they are commonplace. In those countries, it seems like everyone just drives the speed limit. If the point of speed enforcement is to, you know, ensure that everyone is going the speed limit or slower, they're awesome. Norway's system of timed speed cameras are particularly wonderful -- they simply photograph a car and then photog…

There are a fair few of those average speed camera setups near me and I love them, everyone just sits at the speed limit - far more effective than the trap cameras.

Also my GPS (via bluetooth headphones) tells me when I'm entering and leaving a zone (not that I speed).

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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post #277

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Even without Brexit it is illegal for a British resident to drive a foreign-registered car on British roads. Though the law is rarely enforced, it does exist. Many EU countries have similar laws- and yes, they do apply to cars registered in other EU countries. Actually banning foreign-registered cars driven by non -residents from the roads would require withdrawing from international conventions that long predate the…

> Even without Brexit it is illegal for a British resident to drive a foreign-registered car on British roads. Though the law is rarely enforced, it does exist. -Norway has a similar law, with the interesting application that if you, a Norwegian resident, is caught driving a car registered abroad in Norway, you're on the hook for the import taxes which would apply if the car were to be put on Norwegian plates. In a w…

Similar to the law we have in the Netherlands- otherwise everyone would just register their car in Germany.

You can get a two-week exemption for a borrowed/rented car, and there is a somewhat longer grace period if you bring your car with you when you move.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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German here. Indeed only the driver of a car is punished for speeding. The burdon is on the officials to determine the driver. But they will send an official inquiry to the car owner to name the driver of the car, if the identification is not obvious by a photo. There are cases where no one gets the ticket, because the driver is not named by the car owner, sometimes for very valid reason. With a larger group of peopl…

In other European countries where it's also illegal to just fine the owner rather than the actual driver, the police sends an official inquiry about who was driving the car at the time. Providing false information or refusing to provide information at all is punishable by law, you have to name someone and take responsibility for the veracity of that information. The owner is legally responsible for knowing who is dri…

Famous case in UK where lying about the speeding caused the problems (for a Member of Parliament):

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/29/labour-mp-fi...

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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Maybe I'm missing something but the "The Drive" article and the article they reference [1] talk about reading license plates up to half a mile (750m): > read the license plates of speeding cars almost half a mile (750 m) away. In actuality, the TruCam II itself is technically capable of clocking plates up to almost a full mile (1.5 km) But the actual product spec of the device [2] says: > Quickly view license plate d…

Number plates are pretty low to the ground - I wonder if at 1500m the curvature of the earth actually obscures the plate?

Isn't there meant to be a curve of around 8 inches per mile?

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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post #168

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Ignoring whether it’s “human nature” to vary by that much, the remedy is simple: in a 60mph limit (the clue is in the name), target 54. +/-10% is now 48.6-59.4, instead of 54-66. It’s within the speed limit, and a smaller absolute speed differential between lowest and highest speed. Similar arguments have been made against average speed cameras on UK motorways - “I’ll have to be entirely focused on the speedo the who…

If everyone is driving at the speed limit then it’s dangerous to be the outlier. Always go with the flow of the rest of the traffic.

An unfortunate extension of this is that sometimes, a speed limit will be set very low for no apparent reason, and almost everyone will exceed it significantly if it's not visibly being enforced. This puts a driver who wants to be both safe and legal in a no-win situation.

Personally, I liked the idea put forward by one of the UK driver advocacy groups a long time ago. Speed enforcement measures should prioritise places with a dangerous hazard, and there should be prominent warning signs on approach in a standard format that show (a) the speed camera sign, (b) the current speed limit and (c) the nature of the hazard, so drivers understand why the limit is there and enforcement is visible and clearly justified.

Somehow, I suspect that if drivers had more trust that speed limits were being set appropriately and expected that they would actually be enforced where they most matter, they would become largely self-policing anyway. Then the actual road police could spend more time dealing with other problems like using a phone behind the wheel or drinking and driving, which are potentially more dangerous than most speeding but much more difficult to enforce without human intervention.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its the "one size fits all" rule which annoys me. My car will comfortably sit at 110mph all day long, if I'm alone on a motorway in the early hours who am i hurting or endangering? It certainly isn't about safety because that same car will stop from 100mph in less distance than the highway code requires for 70.

> I'm alone on a motorway in the early hours who am i hurting or endangering? - your loved ones - the emergency services that have to clean your body off the road - subsequent road users -- when the road is closed -- to clean your body off the road

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Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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post #321

There's the old joke: "All those present that object to receiving speeding fines please raise your right foot". People object to speeding fines but receiving them is entirely optional. Personally, I'd rather they clamped down harder on tailgating, poor lane discipline and uninsured drivers than on motorway speed limits.

Its the "one size fits all" rule which annoys me. My car will comfortably sit at 110mph all day long, if I'm alone on a motorway in the early hours who am i hurting or endangering? It certainly isn't about safety because that same car will stop from 100mph in less distance than the highway code requires for 70.

Someone not as perfect as you won't know to slow for blind hills and blind corners.

Someone not as perfect as you won't know to back off in wet conditions.

Someone not as perfect as you won't anticipate when to brake early to accommodate the extra stopping time.

Someone not as perfect as you won't be as meticulous about vehicle maintenance.

Someone not as perfect as you doesn't have your quick reflexes.

Someone not as perfect as you doesn't apply 100% of his attention to driving, never looking at a cell phone or radio.

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