World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

Post by curveaway » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 11:25 PM UTC

kaycebasques wrote: post #160

bayindirh wrote: post #125

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I value ethics and empathy deeply but, I don't understand vegans and vegetarians. Their biggest line of defense is "animals are alive and they have feelings and senses, we abuse them for food". That's sadly right. And they implicitly say that "eating plants are OK because, plants are not animals and they're just happen to grow. They don't feel, they don't understand". On the contrary, there's a growing mountain of re…

As a real vegan (not a meme about vegans that you saw from meat eaters) I can confidently tell you that "animals are alive and they have feelings and senses, we abuse them for food" is not my biggest line of defense. My biggest lines of defense are: * Dr. Kim Williams, former president of the American College of Cardiology, said "there are two kinds of cardiologists, vegans, and those who haven't read the data" * Ani…

Post by orblivion » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 11:31 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #221

seventytwo wrote: post #210

I wonder where anti-abortion people come down on this. In their view, isn’t destroying the male egg the same as culling the male chick?

For anti-abortion vegans/vegetarians, quite possibly. If you're already eating meat, you're already demonstrably OK with the killing of an animal.

Post by LesZedCB » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 11:33 PM UTC

colechristensen wrote: post #354

difosfor wrote: post #59

I suppose it's slightly more animal friendly. On the other hand it just seems like another step into the direction of turning the chickens into optimized food machines. Would be more interested in seeing more means of producing tasty food without using animals and at reduced costs to the environment. Working towards one final giant culling of all unnaturally engineered animals and just continuing on with a small numb…

There’s a moral difficulty here where western societies care a lot about the beginnings of things and can’t stomach things ending, as if the only desirable world is one in which we all experience immortal bliss until the heat death of the universe. Every living thing exists by consuming other living things in some way or another. Every living thing has a beginning, a middle, and an end. Most animals are at least in s…

Post by yyyyaaaa » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 11:39 PM UTC

Post by hunter-gatherer » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 11:50 PM UTC

grecy wrote: post #347

kelnos wrote: post #339

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I think this just depends on your values and moral code, and there's no clear right or wrong here. I personally do not see a problem with using animals as food. If that's good enough for all the other omnivores and carnivores in the food chain, it's good enough for humans. There are certainly a lot of problems with the sustainability and humane-ness of our livestock farming, but I don't see "become vegetarian/vegan"…

> But I also recognize that a lot of people just don't have any kind of emotional response to this sort of thing, and that's ok too I will guarantee that a massive percentage of people do in fact have a very strong emotional response to this kind of thing, but it's all just "out of sight, out of mind". If you make people be involved in the killing of millions of baby chicks, they'll suddenly care very, very much. Our…