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2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Interesting that it is not able to outperform the Zen3 CPUs. I had expected it to do somewhat better, especially it being a 5nm processor, and with all the hype around ARM processors. I don't know how well it will hold up to its x86 competitors like this, especially once they launch their 5nm CPUs next year.

I fully expect the 16" MBP to launch with a 12 or 16-core Apple chip.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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These gains are just through improvements in processors. Now, combine that with parallel leaps for battery tech... It's also good that battery tech hasn't jumped too far ahead already - the constraint has helped in the development in these mobile chips. The display panel is still the biggest energy draw on my laptop. There's a lot of chance for improvement there too. A 2 day battery in 5 years isn't that crazy.

Apple is the kind of company that will choose to slim down the laptop instead of making it 2 day battery life.

Apple is the kind of company that will choose to slim down the laptop instead of making it 2 day battery life.

Hopefully the Era of Ive is over. There are promising signs around, but I'm not ready to believe it yet.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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This is insane perf/watt. x86 backwards compatibility may have gotten us to where we are, but it's certainly holding it back. Arm is looking great, and maybe it's time for x86 to die.

It's time for Intel and x86 to die. But I would also be a little wary, because ARM systems are way more locked down than x86 systems today.

Why does Intel need to die? Sure they're not exactly the company they used to be, but would it be enough for them to just move away from x86? I'm just thinking I don't want just one or two or three companies doing procs.

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Do you think that's still true in 2020? Seems like thinness hasn't been a major consideration for a couple of years now.

They're doing it again with the new iPhone. All of this year iPhone have a smaller battery.

And they all added hardware features to fill that space. Look at the iFixit teardowns and you'll see it wasn't to make the phones thinner. It was to make room for wireless charging, LIDAR, and other features.

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>In my experience, installing alternate OS's on Mac hardware has never been frictionless or satisfying anyway. It would be if they take some effort to support it.

> It would be if they take some effort to support it. Oh, definitely. But the Linux (or alternate OS) fans are not really on Apple's radar. OTOH, they do a good job of keeping some core binaries up-to-date, like zsh and Vim, and they did appeal about getting good compile times during the M1 release event, so they consider POSIX users part of their target market.

There's no link between - compile time and "POSIX users".

Last I checked, I can compile and deploy an iOS app without the need for anything POSIX.

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Well... That's why I have a ThinkPad, that is certified on Linux. (So your prejudice is dated) I'm literally trying to figure out how to install Python 3.6 alongside 3.9 in MacOSX .... right now, and it's not a one line command. So... No. It has massive issues with developer friendliness. New OSX stalls with bluetooth mice and randomly locks my keyboard(MBP 2020). The only thing I can commend OSX on - battery life on…

> install Python 3.6 alongside 3.9 in MacOSX .... right now, and it's not a one line command To be fair, that's not easy on any OS (well, maybe Windows). Certainly on CentOS it is a chore to get two versions of Python installed simultaneously.

I'm on Ubuntu - it's not as mindbogglingly hard as on MacOSX.

Unsupported versions - harder, but still a few commands...

Supported versions? sudo apt install python-3.6 and done.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Intel's CPUs have been getting remarkably worse for a long time now. They trail the software improvements. To give you an anecdote - I got a ThinkPad T430s and it made my work feel 10x faster(Java EE development in 2012). I got my next ThinPad P51s in 2017 - an it was just one huge disappointment. It felt like Intel was stepping back. I now have ThinkPad P1 and computing power is still just OK, though still better th…

>I got my next ThinPad P51s in 2017 - an it was just one huge disappointment. It felt like Intel was stepping back. the microcode bugs cut performance by 20-30% varrying in your workloads. and it comes with a 4k display? That would also contribute to a performance loss, depending on what you're doing. That 2.8-3.9 cpu would be equal to a 2.3-3.3 before the bug, afaik. Thats hardly faster than 10 year old duals, wow!…

> Less competition will only make things worse for us consumers. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Intel is so large that it is using up too much of production capacity for anyone to enter the market. Intel crumbling = more resources for new players to get lower cost manufacturing capacities.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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I hope Apple allows us to install the OS of our choice. The battery life is impressive but I refuse to not use Linux.

What can you do on Linux that you can't do on macOS?

Automate the entire set up of my computer using a declarative language. I use NixOS. Mac OS isn't even close.

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Another item added to the list of why I'm not buying one of these.

I feel kind of grossed out, as a developer (and tinkerer) by how locked down Mac products are. It's not really your computer, you're just renting. Apple has decided that they know what you want and need better than you.

It's really kind of tragic that so much incredible research and engineering work goes into creating new hardware like this only for it to be locked into one particular company with very tight constraints on target audience, income bracket, and technical limitations. Think how incredible it would be if everyone could use this new silicon.
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