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Re: How Satya Nadella turned Microsoft around

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Post by ogre_codes » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:18 PM UTC

mellosouls wrote: post #350

ogre_codes wrote: post #330

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> How are you working out "most successful"? Sales. How else do you measure success of a consumer electronics product? > Beats aren't rated particularly highly apart from by label-followers While Beats haven't been highly rated by audiophiles, they are popular and sound quality and in particular Bluetooth performance has improved significantly under Apple. AirPods... well they are AirPods. They are might well be the…

Sales. How else do you measure success of a consumer electronics product? There are clearly many measures of success. It's best if you mean best-selling maybe just to say that, as it may be important to salespeople but not so much to (say) end users. [Airpods...]Maybe the most loved consumer electronics product on the market right now. That sounds more like a subjective or emotional claim than one measurable, and tha…

> That sounds more like a subjective or emotional claim than one measurable, and that's part of the problem with Apple in particular (though not only Apple) as I've already mentioned; the seeming lack of ability of its champions to consider it's products in a reasonably neutral way.

People have been spewing nonsense like this for decades. As if customers being happy with a product is a worthless concept.

The AirPods are successful because people love them. When AirPods were first launched, they were widely panned and people laughed at the design, but everyone who bought them loved them. I could go into details about why, but it's irrelevant, if they hadn't been so well liked, they wouldn't be the best selling headphones on the market.

Re: How Satya Nadella turned Microsoft around

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Post by tester756 » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:18 PM UTC

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #314

bennysonething wrote: post #251

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Plus c# seems to be usually much further a head than java. See lamdas, async await... One thing about Microsoft, their tooling just seems more polished and things tend to just work. I'd be surprised if a lot of start ups don't start using c# since it's now open source and more platform agnostic.

I was considering .NET Core for a project but they appear to have fallen behind the JVM rather dramatically when it comes to GC performance. The JVM now has low latency collectors for very large heaps. Is there any work being done in .NET Core to catch up?

dude, of course.

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/performance-improvemen...

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/performance-improvemen... (most recent)

Re: How Satya Nadella turned Microsoft around

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Post by one2know » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:19 PM UTC

burntoutfire wrote: post #39

skummetmaelk wrote: post #4

Nadella turned Microsoft into a data mining operation just like the rest of the FAANG gang and the market rewarded him. Surveillance capitalism must be regulated out of existence.

What is Microsoft doing with all that data? Google and Facebook optimize ads based on it, but what does Microsoft need it for?

They sell it for money. You will never hear about it. It may pass through a single person's hands. Remember the article on here that told about how all major cell providers are selling your location data through a two man mob-like operation?

https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement

"In order to provide this computing experience, we collect data about you, your device, and the way you use Windows. "

"We also share data with Microsoft-controlled affiliates and subsidiaries; with vendors working on our behalf; when required by law or to respond to legal process; to protect our customers; "

Obviously when they sell to data broker, they call them a vendor.

Re: How Satya Nadella turned Microsoft around

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Post by tester756 » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:19 PM UTC

raunakdag wrote: post #218

hevelvarik wrote: post #195

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If when people say big tech they exclude msft (and include Facebook), they are simply wrong. .net, sqlserver, power bi, hell office are the blood flowing through Government and industry. Gaming is also tech and azure will get there if they just keep at it. The startup world is only a slice of the pie, and not the largest or most important . If you don’t live on the coasts, and you want to invest in a stack that will…

No matter what technologies MSFT have, the number one thought in people’s minds these days when you say big tech is simply FB G Amazon and Apple. It’s no longer MSFT up there with them. Definitely a stigma thing.

Yea, I used to visit cs career questions too, but I don't think it is healthly and in touch with reality

Loud people do not always reflect reality very well :)

Re: How Satya Nadella turned Microsoft around

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Post by Answerawake » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:22 PM UTC

kelvin0 wrote: post #84

xiphias2 wrote: post #23

I'm using Windows 10 because I want to run modern programs, but I still don't see the usability of the operating system to be as good that it was with Windows 7. If I go to settings, or open the start menu, I have latencies measured in seconds, even though I have a fast gaming laptop. As a comparision on my iPad most of the settings windows have about 0.2s rendering latency (some shorter, some longer), but in reality…

I noticed a horrendous slowdown of the default image viewer. Double-clicking on a small JPEG file (less then 1MB) can take up to 20s to finally view. Got so bad, that I now have MS Paint as default image viewer. I kinda like the image viewer's ability to view other pictures in the same directory, but the performance and waiting time to view anything was just way too terrible.

Are you referring to the WIndows 10 image viewer? Yes it is now a "Metro" app I think. The good news is that you can restore the old Windows 7 picture viewer. There are instructions on how to restore this if you Google. Think its a registry change.

Re: How Satya Nadella turned Microsoft around

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Post by ThrowawayB7 » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:25 PM UTC

sumtechguy wrote: post #137

metalliqaz wrote: post #77

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Under Ballmer, MS dropped the ball on mobile. They had Windows CE, Windows on every desktop, and Xbox on the set top. And with all that, they couldn't put together a viable mobile product? They had the chance to make a holistic ecosystem that would span desktop, laptop, smartphone, tablet, TV, and everything in between. And they dropped the ball. Now we have to deal with a Duopoly between the largest advertiser and t…

No kidding... WinCE should have been a stripped down NT. Instead it was this 'other' thing that they drug along that was 'windows' but not quite 'windows' and a pain to dev for. They were stuck in this weird spot where they had to create a build system that took into account of every BOM every crappy cell phone the ODMs could come up with. Then married to cell phones that would forget everything you setup on the drop…

> "They were stuck in this weird spot where they had to create a build system that took into account of every BOM every crappy cell phone the ODMs could come up with."

Well before Windows Phone existed, they already had to deal with that for Windows CE 1.0 to 6.x and all the PDAs/phones that used them. Android has to deal with the same thing. Nothing was new about that for Windows Phone.

Aside from that, Microsoft had to deal with that already anyway because of Windows CE Embedded / Windows Automotive and all the miscellaneous gadgets people wanted to use it with.

Re: How Satya Nadella turned Microsoft around

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Post by metal13 » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:27 PM UTC

RedShift1 wrote: post #76

cblconfederate wrote: post #33

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agree to this. They had a good going with windows 7. The freaking windows 10 photos app intermittently hangs forever when opening a simple image file. I was just using Videos and it crashed when opening settings. Skype is still a disaster years after swinching from skype classic. The abomination that replaced control panel is designed intentionally like a maze from which you cant get out. I dare you to find the bluet…

Open start menu, search for x. Can't find it. Close start menu, open start menu, search for x, instant result. Sigh

Have this same problem on Android. Not an MS exclusive. Maybe Apple is better?

Re: How Satya Nadella turned Microsoft around

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Post by pjettter » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:28 PM UTC

typon wrote: post #89

With VSCode and Typescript, Microsoft owned the web developer space - a feat that I would not have predicted them doing 10 years ago. How did Google/Facebook get beaten here?

Plus they iterate faster than anyone else out there and upgrading is painless (VSCode, not Windows)

Re: How Satya Nadella turned Microsoft around

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Post by pjettter » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:30 PM UTC

xiphias2 wrote: post #23

I'm using Windows 10 because I want to run modern programs, but I still don't see the usability of the operating system to be as good that it was with Windows 7. If I go to settings, or open the start menu, I have latencies measured in seconds, even though I have a fast gaming laptop. As a comparision on my iPad most of the settings windows have about 0.2s rendering latency (some shorter, some longer), but in reality…

I spent $10k on a computer in 2008 to get rid of latencies. Now computers are so much faster and some latencies just get greater? It's Windows that is broken. I don't see the same thing happening often on my Mac or iOS.

Re: How Satya Nadella turned Microsoft around

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Post by nobleach » Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 7:33 PM UTC

cvhashim wrote: post #285

hevelvarik wrote: post #195

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If when people say big tech they exclude msft (and include Facebook), they are simply wrong. .net, sqlserver, power bi, hell office are the blood flowing through Government and industry. Gaming is also tech and azure will get there if they just keep at it. The startup world is only a slice of the pie, and not the largest or most important . If you don’t live on the coasts, and you want to invest in a stack that will…

Yeah I work in the Midwest and have been learning .NET for a project I was recently onboarded on. C#/.NET has a stronghold in most enterprise companies out here.

That's interesting. The .NET Core experience shows a lot of promise. I'd fear getting into an old school .NET shop almost as much as I'd fear getting into a "stuck in Java <= 1.7" shop.