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Extradition.

Over financial crimes? Does that ever happen?

It does, especially over money laundering.

In this case though it's likely fought pretty strongly since it's possible that what they did weren't offences in their home countries.

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#362
post #271

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I tried to register a two-letter domain with few registrars found by googling: it seems that one isn't allowed to register a two-letter .is domain anymore; a very common policy in domain names.

That seems odd. I just registered one a few days ago… (fj.is). Also you can register domains directly at isnic.

! You are correct, isnic allows to register two-letter domains :) It is probably better to register there anyway than with some random registrars.

Re: FBI seized PokerStars.com, FullTiltPoker.com, UB.com,... domain names

#363

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Can you explain why someone would leave that much money in there? Are there tables that you can bring 250k to? Do these sites pay interest? How do you trust these sites? A casino in Las Vegas will get huge fines if one of the employees rips off players. How do you know some internal IT guy isn't cheating you?

I made a longer post below ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2452958 ) that explains it all a bit better, but for poker players, their balances on poker sites serve both as checking accounts (in many ways) and as their capital. That's like asking why a corporation's value is tied up in its stock. A poker player's account balance is his livelihood. You can sit at some tables with $100K. It's very easy to 4-table.…

> There were a few people cheating before on UltimateBet and AbsolutePoker. Thanks to the aforementioned community reconciling various players' hand databases (each hand can be logged), they were caught and both of those sites lost a ton of business.

I also replied to your post below but just to clarify this for everyone: despite he effort from hese communities, those involved in he cheating were never caught. In fact. those named by the DoJ as the heads of Absolute Poker are heavily implicated and the company line has been that ownership had changed hands; this is clearly not the case.

And despite significant pressure, large amounts of money has not been returned to players. And despite Absolute/UB temporarily seeing great loss of traffic, they regained and were up to last night the 3rd largest American-facing network or site.

Re: FBI seized PokerStars.com, FullTiltPoker.com, UB.com,... domain names

#364
post #65

This is a disaster. A very sad day for the internet. We are entering into pastor Niemoller territory here: first they came for the file-sharing websites, next they came for the online gambling websites, and I would guess that Bitcoin is probably next in line, and following that, Magic: the Gathering online and the MMORPGs.

No. It's not a disaster. Just the end of the .com/.net/.org era. As soon as people realize that .com/.net/.org are not neutral, but under US jurisdication, they will move to other TLDs operated in countries with more liberal laws.

It hardly matters what the laws are when politicians wipe their asses with the constitution.

Re: FBI seized PokerStars.com, FullTiltPoker.com, UB.com,... domain names

#365

US government has been gunning for poker sites for a while (since 2006 when the UIGEA passed). Some places like Party Poker withdrew from the US market, while others flourished by skirting the rules to the best of their abilities (e.g. can't have ads for internet gambling on TV, so let's make a play money site fulltilt.net that will eventually funnel traffic to our real cash games). I am however surprised that they'r…

;)

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#366
post #187

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Indeed. I'm quite disgusted by the principle of the thing. Something about being deprived of property without due process of law. My primary domain is a .net. I'm loathe to part with it since the TLD is a useful descriptor in this case, but now I'm very seriously considering registering and switching over to the .eu equivalent, which is only a couple bucks more per year.

Does the EU not have a similar procedure they could follow? Or do they just not have a history of doing this (yet)?

They likely have jurisdiction only over .eu TLD.

That said, they have implemented mandatory wiretapping on everyone some years ago, so I wouldn't count on EU sanity or benevolence there.

Re: FBI seized PokerStars.com, FullTiltPoker.com, UB.com,... domain names

#367

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Thank you very much. Unfortunately for me, you didn't hit fulltiltpoker in time.

Ah, sorry :( It was working between the time that I checked in my browser and the time I posted. Maybe these will help: $ host 209.47.206.47 47.206.47.209.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer fulltiltpoker.com. $ host 209.47.206.46 46.206.47.209.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer fulltiltpoker.com. $ host 209.47.206.45 45.206.47.209.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer fulltiltpoker.com. $ host 209.47.206.44 44.206.47.209.in-a…

Putting

  209.47.206.47   fulltiltpoker.com
in /etc/hosts, I was able to start up the Full Tilt Poker client and perform a software update. Thanks again! :)

Re: FBI seized PokerStars.com, FullTiltPoker.com, UB.com,... domain names

#368
post #69
post #31

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Constitutional law is so much more complicated than, "this is what the document says". What is happening is here is reprehensible, but I don't think you will find any defense against it in due process.

Actually, the document was written with the intention that anyone could read it and easily tell if their government was violating it or not. There have been a lot of people making up a body of work commonly called "Constitutional law" but much of that body of work seems to serve the purpose of trying to say that you can't just read it. But if you read it, it is very clear. "The right of the people to be secure in the…

Constitutional studies largely exist because of the 14th Amendment and the necessary and proper clause. They do confuse things a bit.

Sometimes we can't rely on our elected officials, even though we should be able to; a SCotUS case might be the best way to change this.

Re: FBI seized PokerStars.com, FullTiltPoker.com, UB.com,... domain names

#369

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Online gambling is illegal in the United States. It is, by _definition_, not "everyday business."

And that's part of the problem.

I don't disagree that it should be legal, but the fact that the government takes a dim view of bribing bank officials to allow someone to do other illegal things is really not something worth getting indignant about, no? The root cause, sure, but painting it as "everyday business" is rather naively lolbertarian.
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