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Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by millstone »

pojntfx wrote: post #3

Honestly, this is why we need the Web. But Apple even blocks that since they don’t allow any browser engine apart from Safari, meaning that there is no - Add to homescreen dialog - Background sync - Proper push notifications - Proper WASM support (a lot of features are missing) Honestly, at this point, the government should step in, like they did at the end of the last century with Microsoft. Walled gardens hurt inno…

The web does not solve the problem identified in the post. Nothing prevents Google from releasing new versions of Chrome with insufficient warning, and breaking sites. An example of just that is https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/15/20966237/google-chrome-w...

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Post by banachtarski »

lttlrck wrote: post #300
JonathonW wrote: post #287

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Past major iOS releases have usually given about a week between the release of the final build to developers (with app submissions opening at the same time) and the release to the general public. This gives developers time to validate their code against the final build of iOS and submit updates if needed, allowing plenty of time for App Review to do their thing. This is also the first point where Apple will accept ap…

1 week is completely arbitrary. If they had 1 week notice as usual there would most likely still be complaints because this is an unusual year...

Slippery slope fallacy. By this logic, 1 ms, 1 day, 1 year, and 10 years are all equivalent degrees of notice and the degree of complaints would persist.

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Post by scarface74 »

romanoderoma wrote: post #342
scarface74 wrote: post #205

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Along with every time I have to press OK to the “we used cookies” dialog, using the web is already like a “punch the monkey” game.

I'm angry at Firefox because it was the only browser that I trust that allowed me to have extensions to solve my problems with bad websites on mobile and they removed them. But bad websites are not something we are going to get rid of using only iPhones...

The difference is that notification spam on the web is allowed to escape the sandbox. Because of the punch the monkey nature of the web, I inadvertently clicked “allow notifications” on both PCWorld and Tom’s Hardware on different occasions - they both spammed me at least once a day. But not enough to figure out how to disable it.

To get rid of the cookie notifications, I can at least set web pages I go to default to reader view.

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Post by scarface74 »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #359
scarface74 wrote: post #326

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And you still haven’t come up with a situation where a major developer was forced to make an iOS app and decided to be content with a PWA for Android customers. “Value” has a definite meaning in economics. If someone is willing to pay for something, it has value to them.

I don't even care about iOS. I just despise your definition of value, since it's simply wrong and dangerous.

Whether you despise it or not. It’s the only objective measure that we have to ascertain the value that a population puts on an item.

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Post by dkonofalski »

zepto wrote: post #284

Can someone explain what the actual problem is? I’ve been using the betas and all of my existing apps work fine. I’m developing for ios14, and don’t see any particular reason for my app to be out today. What actual adverse effects are there to this? Is there a class of app that runs on ios13 but is broken on ios14?

I'm in the same boat. All my apps are working and we've been testing against the betas without issues. Downloaded the GM and submitted for review. I can't imagine that A) there is a huge grouping of apps that will suddenly break and B) that there's any kind of reason for these apps to need this update out today. It's not like there's a new feature or SDK that would make or break an app over 1 day or even a week.

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Post by arendtio »

the_lucifer wrote: post #312
arendtio wrote: post #256

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This answer is wrong on so many levels... I don't know why Apple is allowed to keep other browser engines out of their system, but probably just because the relevant people just don't understand that the Chrome/FF/etc. on iOS are just a Safari with a different UI and that it gives Apple about half (depending on country; in the US probably more) of the mobile browser share and users just the chance to either use Andro…

Playing the devils advocate here. This browser restriction is what I'd wager is keeping the non-chromium browser market at a substantial proportion.

I am wondering what you are referring to with 'non-chromium' browser market. Typically people don't complain about chromium-based browsers, but about the dominance of Webkit-based browsers (Safari, Chrome, Opera, Edge, etc.) and from that perspective there is more or less just Firefox left.

Nevertheless, that is besides the point as the rendering engine is not the sole source of browser differences. I am not saying the Googles high market share isn't a problem itself, but that Apple is abusing their market position to hold back the development of the web (by not implementing relevant APIs and not allowing competing browser engines on their platform).

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Post by trey-jones »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #313
trey-jones wrote: post #195

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I watched the whole video of Jobs, and I enjoyed it and took something away from it. I also don't think that it applies to this conversation. From Jobs's perspective here, App Store developers are also customers. So while he is talking about starting at the customers' perspective, rather than the engineers, I believe he's only talking about Apple engineers. 3rd party software devs that are building the Apple ecosyste…

Apple does deliver value - a huge market of higher paying buyers than Android. That's their value. Not that their software releases will always be perfect. None of you will stop making iOS apps over this.

Just because some value is delivered in the form of paying customers doesn't mean Apple (or any business) should stop thinking about other ways to deliver value to their customers (being developers in this case).

Full disclosure - I have developed many apps for iOS, but have never monetized them. I have used both Hybrid and native tech to do this. It has been probably 5 years since I've done Hybrid and about 15 months since I made a native app.

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Post by arendtio »

millstone wrote: post #348
arendtio wrote: post #256

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This answer is wrong on so many levels... I don't know why Apple is allowed to keep other browser engines out of their system, but probably just because the relevant people just don't understand that the Chrome/FF/etc. on iOS are just a Safari with a different UI and that it gives Apple about half (depending on country; in the US probably more) of the mobile browser share and users just the chance to either use Andro…

Google nominally allows other browser engines on Android, but non-Chrome marketshare is a rounding error. There's not some great browser engine ecosystem out there, waiting to be unleashed. The conversation is 100% about how much influence Apple should permit Google to have over the evolution of iOS.

Actually, since a year or so Firefox is a pretty solid mobile browser and I am pretty pissed I can't use the real thing on my iPhone.
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