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Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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Same here: Migrated all my gmail accounts to Fastmail. Took me two days. Migrated Google Docs to Dropbox. And replaced Google Sheets and Doc with a Microsoft subscription (MS Word and MS Excel). Then there‘s the search engine. I tried hard to replace Google Search with DDG, but I have to admit that Google gives me better search results. Still I would love to leave this also behind. Finally there is youtube for me. Ai…

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Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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That sounds the same as Firefox profiles, plus Firefox has containers for more sectioning of data within a profile. Is there something Chrome has here that Firefox doesn’t?

Chrome profiles avoids having to create another (Firefox) account to manage the sync and data. Also Chrome has an easy menu for switching profiles and creates desktop/taskbar shortcuts for them. Firefox requires going to the about:profiles settings page to manage them. Also chrome profiles are integrated with G-Suite including security and organization settings. Overall Chrome's version is just smoother and easier to…

Unlike Chrome profiles, multiple Firefox containers can be used in the same window. Containers are different from profiles:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/multi-account...

Containers are also extensible through add-ons. For example, the following two add-ons automatically isolate Facebook and Google into separate containers to reduce the impact of their tracking:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-cont...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-contai...

Temporary Containers goes further by allowing the user to create disposable containers either automatically or on demand:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-con...

Firefox's two-tier approach (profiles and containers) to data isolation is much more flexible than Chrome's profiles. Containers handle many common use cases (e.g. logging on to the same site with multiple accounts simultaneously), and are very easy to use.

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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In either case I still bought my slacks from the clothing store, my pint from the tavern, and slept soundly in my bed. You object to the company having your information, I object to it being used to impact my life. I don't give a damn about them just having it. And thus my question, how does this affect my life?

> In either case I still bought my slacks from the clothing store, my pint from the tavern, and slept soundly in my bed. You object to the company having your information, I object to it being used to impact my life. I don't give a damn about them just having it. >And thus my question, how does this affect my life? For the store metaphor, consider Amazon instead of Google. Amazon tracked sale data from its vendors th…

>this puts the multitudes of other vendors/manufacturers out of business, and your own employer might be among their numbers one day

This is basic capitalism, Amazon built a better mouse trap. The rise of the internet destroyed those businesses, Amazon is just the name that got attached to a business model that was inevitable. Now we can debate the values of capitalism, but Amazon the company isn't the problem, if not them it would just be someone else. The unfortunate fact of progress in capitalistic society is that some jobs disappear, we don't have many loom operators today either.

>Their having this data on its own isn't harmful, but as others have noted, it represents harm in the sense of what how it _could_ be used if applied maliciously

This seems to be the crux of the issue, the idea that the data's very existence is somehow a threat. I don't buy the vague handwavey "bad government" versions are valid, if the government has fallen to fascist ideology then Google knowing your step counts and favorite coffee shop are the least of your problems.

And I don't worry about Google falling into some Orwellian nightmare for the same reason I don't worry about the government falling into it, Google is just a bunch of people. On average, they're going to be reasonable people who think using the data to bust down the doors of private citizens and harm them is bad. More importantly I fail to see how it makes shareholders any money to pursue that course of action.

>They shut down the internet, but what if instead the government started demanding data from Google or Facebook to identify and track down members of the opposition?

The Inquisition and the Nazis managed this just fine without Google. If you're relying on privacy to keep you safe from fascists, bigots, nationalists, and hate you're going to have a bad time. Those people don't care about your privacy, and if they can't get the information from Google they'll get it from your neighbors, your friends, or from you by introducing a tire iron to your knee caps.

The fight against fascism starts way earlier than when they start searching for individuals to disappear. If a society reaches that point, the presence or absence of Google won't save you.

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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Genuinely, why should I care? What harm is likely to happen to my life by sticking with Google, a service provider I find convenient? EDIT: I don't want to be accused of fan-boying or astro-turfing. I just see "Avoid Big Company X because they collect your data" a lot and I just can't give a damn about companies collecting my data. Be my guest, if it means I get free stuff. My data is boring tech nerd data, use it to…

I've heard many stories of Google accounts being terminated without the possibility of appeal due to some minor terms of service breach in one of their peripheral services.

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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Information distributors do more than influence elections, they completely control them. Walter Cronkite impeached Nixon, Pulitzer and Hearst started the Spanish-American war, and FAANG companies, directly or indirectly, nudge the needle on elections. I don't see how Google is unique or notable in this regard.

It's not unique in this regard, therefore it doesn't matter? Is that your argument? Also, comparing the relative power of newspaper men to Google doesn't make much sense.

>It's not unique in this regard, therefore it doesn't matter? Is that your argument?

Yes. Any group that controls information distribution controls what we know about the world. By controlling what we know about the world, they control politics completely. This is axiomatic, there is no way around it, you can't personally observe everything that happens therefore you must have it reported to you. The person or people doing that reporting control your worldview. Google isn't bad for playing a role in that information economy.

>Also, comparing the relative power of newspaper men to Google doesn't make much sense.

You're right, the newspaper and television men of yore were far more powerful than Google is or ever will be. More Americans watched Cronkite than watch all evening network news combined today, and 70% of the people who watched him trusted that his was factual reporting.

No news source in the world today has that kind of trust, definitely not Google.

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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Why not take this the way we should, as consumers:

Cut all big cos out. The Internet already gives us tools to run everything as a community, yet we are not doing that.

We can fund open source software/hardware, crowdsource their continued development. It takes leadership, like the big cos have. But we can get it done.

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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> You can influence groups of people like never before. Swing Elections & change governments. Influence public opinion about literally everything to no small degree. Right, so, has Google done this? Asking because from what I remember the answer has been largely no, but I remember FB selling data to Cambridge Analytica in 2016.

Even this commonly parroted "fact" isn't true. Cambridge Analytica exploited a Facebook misfeature that let them scrape a frankly ridiculous amount of data from users who took their quiz thing. Certainly Facebook shouldn't have allowed random apps access to this user data, but straight up selling data would be an act of immense incompetence on Facebook's part. Their whole business is keeping the data to themselves an…

Isn’t it also the case that FB didn’t allow CA to scrape data, but gave permission to a UK researcher who then sold the data to CA?

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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I dropped all google services and it wasn’t that hard. The most tedious part is moving accounts from your gmail to your new email (I switched to using my own domain backed by fastmail). Even with a password manager and a list of all my accounts this took me an entire day. You also learn how terrible most non-software company account management is. On a lot of sites changing email is impossible. On some it lets you do…

Kudos absolutely great to see you do this I moved off Google after they started doing some strange things with our adwords accounts Anyways Agree with you on this -> The only google service that is really relevant and hard to replace is YouTube. Google's earnings from ads went down last quarter. First quarter that has ever happened They are definitely at risk of becoming Yahoo 2.0. The only thing is the immense amoun…

Browser - use Firefox.

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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Sure, but if that happens... I think we're fucked either way? I think any providers would be just as susceptible (maybe more so; Google ostensibly has the means to protect data, legally and technologically), and your data would already be on Google's servers unless you only emailed or chatted with other non-Google users.

>Sure, but if that happens... I think we're fucked either way? Why?

When people are saying they legally kill other people for their political views, that's often a fake. What often happens, no one cares about political views, people just using the tool for profit, revenge, career, or lulz.

Nothing stops me from registering a free e-mail address garbagetime @ somedomain.com, writing any e-mails I want there, then letting your government know about your secret e-mail address you use to discuss politics.

Re: Degoogle: Cutting Google out of your life

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Genuinely, why should I care? What harm is likely to happen to my life by sticking with Google, a service provider I find convenient? EDIT: I don't want to be accused of fan-boying or astro-turfing. I just see "Avoid Big Company X because they collect your data" a lot and I just can't give a damn about companies collecting my data. Be my guest, if it means I get free stuff. My data is boring tech nerd data, use it to…

If you have no problem with Google's stranglehold on advertising, their role in the demise of local news, brick and mortar business, local economies, and every other way they have contributed to the decline of the internet ... then by all means, enjoy the convenience.

I don't see how those things as connected to Google. If AskJeeves had won the search wars the all of those things would still happen. Your problem seems to be with capitalism not with Google.
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