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Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Starlink internet is not meant to replace hard line internet. There is no getting around the physics of cable being so much cheaper/easier. Even terrestrial cell towers are more efficient and cheaper than satellites. This is 100% meant to supplement existing infrastructure not to replace it. You will almost always get cheaper and faster internet (for both you and the company providing internet) over a cable to your h…

What sort of physics? You can multiplex wavelengths for wireless just like cable right? Granted you'd need to buy the licenses for those frequencies, which should be fairly cheap in rural areas. I don't think Elon would approve this project if cable is always cheaper and easier.

Why not? He doesn't have to reach everyone, just some portion of the population that's profitable.

My argument should have been this is only (imo) going to get at most 10% of the worlds population.

That's based on the signal interference in space. Scale gets costly.

EDIT: Then I'm done replying for real. This thread has been fun but I need to stop myself at some point. Thanks for replying.

physics => Co-channel and adjacent satellite interference to be specific, the closer you put your satellites the more signal they have to handle. These things are built to scale for the worlds population and you can't just add more satellites without scaling the whole constellation. If it was built to scale for NY city then they'd need to support that population density on every single satellite. But if they build it for Wyoming and steal those customers then they need to only scale for that and allow ISPs to keep NY city residents.

While it's cheaper for cable companies to lay wire close to hubs, it's cheaper for satellites to hit people the more spread out they are. So the physics of this constellation are such that it's cheaper for them to give more rural people a baseline of internet rather than upsetting ISPs. I think that's wishful thinking by many people who hate ISPs.

I'm not saying it's cheaper for cables to hit everyone everywhere in the world, or this system wouldn't exist. As I said earlier, it's meant to supplement a weakness in our current infrastructure by blanketing the world with cheap internet that works at lower population densities.

I used this metric in another thread, but if you're on Septic Starlink is probably for you. If you're on sewer then you're already surrounded by a density of infrastructure that probably makes ground based communication cheaper. No I'm not going to bet that someone on HN doesn't have a counter example for me, but overall I think this would probably make sense.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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A lot of what you're saying isn't actually true here. Light moves significantly (47%) slower through optical fiber than through space. This drastically reduces the latency of long distance connections. We're talking NY round trip to Japan in the same time it takes NY roundtrip to the UK now. The cost of backhaul and ongoing maintenance of cables is a lot more than SpaceX launching their own satellites by an entire or…

> Light moves significantly (47%) slower through optical fiber than through space The what? As far as I know c is a constant.

When you refract light, you change its speed, slowing it down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractive_index#:~:text=The%2....

https://www.zmescience.com/science/physics/how-to-slow-trap-...

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Anyone complaining about this has never experienced the frustration of rural living when it comes to internet. This is absolutely amazing, and it will just get better. Even a reliable 10mbps would be a godsend in many places.

Reliable 10mbps is a stable full hd stream and 5ish mbps to spare. Easily one stable video call or two at lower quality. It'll be annoying if you want to download the latest AAA shooter coming in at dozens and dozens of gigabytes, sure. But you can do a lot at 10mbps as 1-2 people needing the uplink. That's really nice.

In KC you used to be able to get free Google Fiber at 10mbps. Free as in beer.

I never needed anything better than that to watch Netflix or program or enjoy basic internet browsering. It was awesome!

To get that out in a rural area and have it reliable is a game changer for a lot of people.

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I would like to see a kit from SpaceX which provides a solar powered Starlink to LTE bridge. Such kits could be installed anywhere, and provide service to places such as farm communities (install them on top of grain silos, for example). That way Starlink could be available to more customers without them having to have their own premise equipment (beyond an LTE hotspot).

I worked for the Telco that services all of Northern Canada (world's largest operating area for a telco). We installed one of the world's first 3G towers that uses only satellite as backbone. Think fly-in only communities that are thousands of kilometers away from anything in the Arctic. Many of our sites are served by radio backhaul for that reason. The sat backhaul tower is extremely expensive and temperamental. It…

> many thousands of dollars per GB

Which year was that? Depending on airline, I was able to use free to $20 per long haul leg sat net and stream 4K YouTube...

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Anyone complaining about this has never experienced the frustration of rural living when it comes to internet. This is absolutely amazing, and it will just get better. Even a reliable 10mbps would be a godsend in many places.

Viasat is already available and provides 12-100 Mbps service. Viasat only uses 4 satellites. HughesNet provides up to 25 Mbps service and I think has 5 satellites. Caveat: Of course I've never used either service myself, so I can not speak to the actual download speeds vs advertised speeds.

Those services' satellites are in high orbit and therefore have very high latency (think in the 800ms range), so those seemingly fast speeds rarely result in a fast experience.

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Anyone complaining about this has never experienced the frustration of rural living when it comes to internet. This is absolutely amazing, and it will just get better. Even a reliable 10mbps would be a godsend in many places.

Bandwidth is great and all, but satellite latency is a killer. Been there, done that.

Lucky the article includes ping times then.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of what you're saying isn't actually true here. Light moves significantly (47%) slower through optical fiber than through space. This drastically reduces the latency of long distance connections. We're talking NY round trip to Japan in the same time it takes NY roundtrip to the UK now. The cost of backhaul and ongoing maintenance of cables is a lot more than SpaceX launching their own satellites by an entire or…

> Light moves significantly (47%) slower through optical fiber than through space The what? As far as I know c is a constant.

Altought the answers so far posted are not exactly incorrect, it is also important to note that the geometry (that is, a cylinder for optical fibers) of the waveguide used influences the group velocity of the propagating electromagnetic field.

This will always end up being slower than a plane wave in the same material, usually only somewhere between 10%-90% (and this also depends on the wavelength) of the free-space group velocity.

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Viasat is already available and provides 12-100 Mbps service. Viasat only uses 4 satellites. HughesNet provides up to 25 Mbps service and I think has 5 satellites. Caveat: Of course I've never used either service myself, so I can not speak to the actual download speeds vs advertised speeds.

I live in a rural area where both of these services are available. They both come with seriously outdated data caps. Hugesnet, if I recall, charges $150/month for their fastest tier, but after 50gb, your speed is reduced to 300kbps. I haven't experienced either service, but I regularly read that they are riddled with disconnects and spotty service. Currently we're paying a ridiculous amount, $200/month, to Unlimitedv…

I saw someone in this thread mention hacking a 4g tablet plan to work as modem doing a sim swap. You could possibly do something similar by setting up 2 or 3 separate accounts so have individual data caps on each and cycle through them each month. It sounds like a hassle but could save you enough to be worth it

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Totally agree. Also - my frustrations over the last few days compel me to point out that the latest AAA shooter is in fact 227 GB, plus >100GB of updates.

Has anyone come out with a reason for the size? I mean they seem to reuse a lot of the same textures throughout the game so I have a hard time understanding how it managed to swell to that.

The amount of uncompressed audio in todays games is too damn high.
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