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20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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Antiviruses will quarantine compiler output...

At one company, Symantec would also quarantine the compiler and build system. It certainly made builds exciting to have the antivirus playing Russian roulette with the entire toolchain.

Every time I went to configure a toolchain on Jetbrains' CLion, Cmake would create some test files and compile them. Windows Defender deleted every file and even the embedded toolchain. Fun :)

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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Sometimes the point isn't technical, but social. So MD5 isn't used for security purposes right now. At some point someone will want some hashing function, and they'll probably look at what the code already uses. The last thing you want is someone a bit clueless goi g "it was good enough there, it's good enough here" and using MD5 where they shouldn't. Removing it from a codebase helps with that problem. The problem h…

The reason they ask is that they have to fill a checkbox that says "no MD5" and of course they're don't know that CRC32 is worse And to be very fair, a lot of security issues would be caught with basic checkbox ticking. Are you using a salted password hashing function instead of storing passwords in plaintext? Are you using a firewall? Do you follow the principles of least privilege?

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Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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Which country laws does apply? Is it really illegal to share this in the whole world? Im not so sure about that.

>Which country laws does apply? At the very least, Intel owns the copyright on this material, so sharing it is a copyright violation in any country that is a signatory to the Berne Convention or the TRIPS Agreement, which is effectively almost the entire planet. Then you have to add Trade Secret laws on top of that, which will have slightly narrower jurisdiction but still impact a lot of countries. There are very few…

Interesting info!

Here's a good list of potential candidate countries which are neither in Berne Convention nor TRIPS Agreement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention#List_of_count...

It may take effort and money to be protected, e.g. setting up a legal entity in that country which takes full responsibility and you cannot be legally forcibly unmasked as being a proprietor, and other local laws may need to be fully checked out to explore other risks.

Nothing is a guarantee and perfection doesn't exist but it's fun to explore these legal layers.

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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Ruling was appealed and deemed incorrect: https://www.wired.com/2014/04/att-hacker-conviction-vacated/

Not quite, it was vacated on the grounds of improper venue. It wasn't reversed or similar; to be vacated is to be voided, as though the case never occurred.

I mean yes. I wish it was actually reversed on grounds that the ruling didn't stand. But that was the intention of the appeal. Dismissing it on improper venue is simply tactical. This is the legal system's way of saying, "there was enough contention in this case that we don't feel comfortable with the whole thing in the first place so we'll throw it out on a technicality and avoid inventing any case law here".

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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At a previous workplace we had a few places in the code which used the word backdoor. It was not an actual backdoor though, but merely a debugging server that could be enabled and allowed you to inspect internal state during runtime. At some point I removed the word backdoor, fearing it would get to a customer or during an audit someone would misunderstand. :|

At my previous employer our code was littered with references to a backdoor. It was a channel for tools running in guest operating systems to talk to the host hypervisor through a magic I/O port. It's even openly called "backdoor" in open source code directly related to it: https://github.com/vmware/open-vm-tools/blob/master/open-vm-...

More reasonable VMMs use the word "hypercall" for these paravirtualized interfaces

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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At a previous workplace we had a few places in the code which used the word backdoor. It was not an actual backdoor though, but merely a debugging server that could be enabled and allowed you to inspect internal state during runtime. At some point I removed the word backdoor, fearing it would get to a customer or during an audit someone would misunderstand. :|

Thats nice of you but Intel's hardware has actual known backdoors.

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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How could that work? For security, an internal site lacks a connection to the internet.

Internal sites? Set up your own CA infrastructure.

I rather spend my limited time working on other security issues.

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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> If you find password protected zips in the release the password is probably either "Intel123" or "intel123". This was not set by me or my source, this is how it was aquired from Intel. Can't say I'm surprised, people are lazy. Another large tech company I used to work for commonly used an only-slightly more complex password. But it was never changed, so people who had left the team still could have access to things…

A company I know insists on rotating passwords fairly often. Everybody just increases the number at the end of their favourite password, i. e. intel1255

In my experience this is pretty standard across the industry.

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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You either have way more grit at arguing than most people or you haven't worked at a large and cumbersome organization. I know most people at those kinds of organizations just don't have the grit to fight every one of those battles all over again, and choose to do the things they can affect with reasonable effort instead. I'm not saying that grit would be a bad thing to have. I appreciate the people who do it. But yo…

I agree with your sentiment in general, but this is telling a dumbass where to go. Its not a hard argument to win. Md5 here is fine, its not a security check.

In a large company you have to choose your battles.

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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You don’t actually need to listen to auditors. People like you (who can’t be bothered to argue because it’s apparently too hard) is the reason that smartass is still selling their services.

So much this. My company just got done shelling out a ton of money for some asshat to tell me that we can't use http on a dev server.

I actually think that's valid. Sure, http on a dev machine isn't a security risk. But there is a tail risk that it ends up somewhere on a system that sends data between machines. Also, using http on dev and https on prod can lead to unexpected bugs. Banning http is not unreasonable.

Same with the md5 complaint. That use of md5 wasn't a problem but there's a perfectly fine alternative and if you can ensure by automated tests that md5 is used nowhere, you also can guarantee that it's never used in a security relevant context.

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