Can some explain to a layman what China has to gain from millions of Tiktok users data? I just don't get it. Emails and passwords?
Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action
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#362What are the predictions for which U.S. tech company would be banned by China as retaliation? My top pick is - LinkedIn (Most other U.S. social networks are already banned in mainland China anyways, then again LinkedIn is being used extensively by Chinese to do Business with outside world; So I wonder whether China would dare to pull the plug). Or it may just ban Instagram, Snapchat in HongKong as there is no ban for…
It's ridiculous that you even talk about retaliation in a post where you acknowledge that anything that would be a worthy retaliation is already banned !
Apple makes $50 billion in revenues a year from the China market. Would people still buy it's phones if the App store or mobile data was shut-off?
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Why should I trust you with this claim and that > this is well known in the security community ? It's a tall order to trust such a serious claim from a pseudonymous person. Please furnish some reasons why I should do so.
What if it's a big hoax and I'm only protecting myself from corporate surveillance and not state surveillance too??
So you have no real evidence, got it.
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In all seriousness, TikTok's Gen-Z userbase played a big role in a huge embarrassment for Trump recently, and given that there seems no end to his personal vanity and vindictiveness, I would not be surprised if this decision was rooted at least in part in vengeance against its users. See: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/style/tiktok-trump-rally-...
Why would any candidate seek "vengeance" in an election year toward a cohort who will be voting for the first time (in many cases) in 2020 and who seem overall more conservative than the previous generation? It seems way more likely to me that the jester is cover for or distraction from something much more serious, and I'd rather talk about that than feed the jester's personal vanity by interpreting every major world…
Trump is not the most reasonable person. If you offend him he will burn you. This is what is happening with TikTok.
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#365Not even getting into the CCP ties, it's always struck me as unfair that Western social media companies are banned in China, while Chinese ones have been able to compete Worldwide. In a way this gives Chinese apps an immediate advantage (as some are indirectly calling out in this comment section). If you want to reach out to someone in China, you have to use a Chinese company's app. Since social media is mostly a win…
I agree it's unfair, but when you defend something for moral reasons or claim to have a moral high ground, you should stick with it even if it's unfair, right? The West has always said that the Chinese bans to Western social media and tech companies were authoritarian and antidemocratic. How is this less so?
> The West has always said that the Chinese bans to Western social media and tech companies were authoritarian and antidemocratic. How is this less so?
Policy A: "Any social media platform that refuses to censor opinions the government doesn't like is banned"
Policy B: "Foreign social media platforms are only allowed to operate in our country if our own social media platforms are allowed to operate on the same terms in theirs"
Can you see why Policy A is antidemocratic but Policy B isn't?
One reason why is that Policy B is viewpoint-neutral – the ban has nothing directly to do with what viewpoints the social media platform allows or disallows, it is simply demanding regulatory reciprocity ("We won't ban yours if you don't ban ours"). Whereas, in Policy A, the ban is part of the government trying to control which opinions are allowed to be expressed, which is anti-democratic.
(I haven't heard a clear explanation from the Trump administration of what their reasons for banning TikTok are. It is possible those reasons include Policy B, it is possible those reasons are completely unrelated.)
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#366From first principles reasoning, this is a good idea. We don’t ban Chinese websites, books or products. Although we tax their products more now. Apps aren’t like physical commodities. They can be used to gather data, quite invasively, shape and form public opinion in a new and more visceral way, as well as take advantage of exploits. Admittedly websites can do that too, but the scale of adoption of Tiktok makes this…
> We lose nothing by banning it,
Except, you know, our rights to the government not controlling our media.
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#367Can some explain to a layman what China has to gain from millions of Tiktok users data? I just don't get it. Emails and passwords?
China is using TicToc to implant Demon Sperm into America's Women by sending Incubus and Succubus Demons to rape them in their sleep and give them the China Virus over the Internet. Or so I've heard.
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> it's always struck me as unfair that Western social media companies are banned in China, while Chinese ones have been able to compete Worldwide. It’s weird to point out this double standard but then apparently take the side of both countries banning foreign media companies.
Why give China access to our domestic market when they refuse to give us access theirs? What do you propose then?
China gives Apple access to their market but the US bans AT&T from partnering with Huawei to sell consumer phones.
Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action
#369From first principles reasoning, this is a good idea. We don’t ban Chinese websites, books or products. Although we tax their products more now. Apps aren’t like physical commodities. They can be used to gather data, quite invasively, shape and form public opinion in a new and more visceral way, as well as take advantage of exploits. Admittedly websites can do that too, but the scale of adoption of Tiktok makes this…
> We lose nothing by banning it. You lose freedom. Would it be OK to also ban Burguers? They're unhealthy and you lose "nothing" by banning them.
A better analogy is banning burgers made by a specific company or country, and specific food is banned all the time by the FDA. Banning TikTok is not the same as banning all services similar to it. You do lose a bit of freedom by not having the choice to use a particular service, but this is much less loss of freedom than your analogy to ban a type of something.
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#370From first principles reasoning, this is a good idea. We don’t ban Chinese websites, books or products. Although we tax their products more now. Apps aren’t like physical commodities. They can be used to gather data, quite invasively, shape and form public opinion in a new and more visceral way, as well as take advantage of exploits. Admittedly websites can do that too, but the scale of adoption of Tiktok makes this…
I love China and Chinese culture but it would be extremely unfair for TikTok to be allowed to succeed when China bans all popular Western communication tools.
Wait, so we should turn ourselves into China? You actually want to mimic their authoritarian approach to media?