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Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill our extension

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Post by Baeocystin »

megablast wrote: post #282
Baeocystin wrote: post #11

Another long-term PushBullet customer here. Anyone at Google who is listening- this kind of behavior kills my desire to continue using your products dead. I need functionality, of the type PushBullet has provided for years, to do my work. The recent nerfing of ublock origin has already had me feeling iffy on things. Behavior like this is simply unacceptable. If you want people to use your services, you need to have s…

You should have stopped using chrome years ago. What will it take for you to wake up?

It's not about just me. I use a half-dozen different browsers during my work day. It's how the provider of the world's dominant browser is behaving, with ramifications that affect all of us.

Re: Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill our extension

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Post by farooge »

Baeocystin wrote: post #11

Another long-term PushBullet customer here. Anyone at Google who is listening- this kind of behavior kills my desire to continue using your products dead. I need functionality, of the type PushBullet has provided for years, to do my work. The recent nerfing of ublock origin has already had me feeling iffy on things. Behavior like this is simply unacceptable. If you want people to use your services, you need to have s…

(old dude here) I knew this attitude was coming when i saw the billboards recruiting PhD's back in 2008 (or so). I figured they'd be completely infected by arrogant (but clever) twats around 2015. i believe my guess proved to be true and it's been getting worse ever since. also, the fact that their (organic) search is so awesome also-also that they were allowed to buy Waze, ffs, get out of my life!.

Re: Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill our extension

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Post by creato »

the_af wrote: post #40
Baeocystin wrote: post #11

Another long-term PushBullet customer here. Anyone at Google who is listening- this kind of behavior kills my desire to continue using your products dead. I need functionality, of the type PushBullet has provided for years, to do my work. The recent nerfing of ublock origin has already had me feeling iffy on things. Behavior like this is simply unacceptable. If you want people to use your services, you need to have s…

> The recent nerfing of ublock origin has already had me feeling iffy on things. What did they do to ublock origin? The single best Chrome extension ever . If it stops working and I must suffer YouTube ads again, it's bye bye Chrome.

If Youtube ads mean that much to you, why not just pay for it? I'm all for ad blocking (I use ublock too) but if I heavily use a site that offers me a way to pay a reasonable price, I think it's the right thing to do. Uploaders with monetized videos still get paid that way (and I don't want to bother with Patreon etc, that doesn't nearly scale to everyone I watch videos from).

Re: Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill our extension

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Post by morrbo »

eloff wrote: post #356
wlesieutre wrote: post #36

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Chrome is a trivially easy product to switch off of compared to other Google properties like Gmail and YouTube. Have you tried Firefox recently?

I switched when Google killed of ublock origin in Chrome. Firefox is quite nice these days. I just use chrome for development because I'm more familiar with their dev tools. I will very occasionally find a site that's broken in Firefox and works in Chrome though.

Check out Vivaldi, never looked back (chromium based so same dev tools, though admittedly I do.my dwv in edge these days just to keep stuff separate)

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Post by munk-a »

danpalmer wrote: post #342
munk-a wrote: post #330

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It's confusing because whatever system (whether human or automated) they're using to flag permission issues has more precise detection abilities than they chose to expose with a simple "Permission is too wide - fix it". The fact that the extension has over broad permission asks isn't good but I think saying their communication lacks clarity is underselling just how opaque they were with their feedback. It also concer…

It's possible that the flagging has come from user submitted reports. In that case if Google trust the reports (and they have enough data about users to know if reports are likely to be genuine) then they don't necessarily need to know any more details. Alternatively it could be vague to restrict the possibility of bad actors circumventing the letter of the rules without adhering to the spirit of them, or even just p…

Your later point is the one that concerns me. Organizations like governments have issues where the spirit of the law is valued over the letter due to inertial restrictions over revising the law - when it comes to private corporations the ability to restructure rules remains unless it's explicitly surrendered. In these cases keeping the set of rules exposed to the public (and even demoing changes) can allow revisions to those rules to increase their accuracy.

And, when you get right down to it, any rule that isn't well structured will be exploited by bad actors, people looking to roll out malicious browser extensions have a strong motivation to try and discover those rules with a high level of accuracy by testing them - only the good actors remain uninformed.

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Post by morrbo »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #105
jtxx wrote: post #64

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ProtonMail has come a long way as a replacement for Gmail as well. Suuuper happy with them, they're really responsive to feature requests and support inquiries. I requested for an iOS feature to choose browsers so I could open all links from PM in Firefox. They had it implemented in a month or something... it a quick fix but that impressed me. hence me shilling here They recently added ProtonCalendar too.

Switching email isn't nearly as friction-free as switching your browser. Not only do you have to change your email in every service you've registered for, you also need to convince your friends and other contacts to use the new email.

Have to respectfully disagree here...we tried protonmail for ages and it wasn't good. Wet feature adding it sounds like you got lucky but we ask for several features over the course of a year - ranging from simple things such as HTML signatures (that they fully support, they just hide the button on their editor) to more enterprisey user management 2fa enforcement style features and it just didn't hold up in the slightest. No features got added and we ended up going back to o365..for a personal email it's ok though but I wouldn't tout them as responsive to feature requests as this wasn't our experience at all. We were a sma the on their visionary package if that makes a difference.

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Post by lostcolony »

skykooler wrote: post #345
lostcolony wrote: post #317

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You're kidding right? You look at every commit of every open source app you use, or that a closed source app is built atop? For me, off the top of my head, that would mean, yes, Chrome, Firefox, the Linux Kernel, Libre Office, Android, VLC...probably plenty more that I am unaware are open source, and that's not even considering the dev tools to do my job. When would I actually have time to have a life?

Exactly. Reading the source of every program you used was certainly possible back in the 80's when the FOSS movement started; but nowadays, with every program being millions of lines of code, it's implausible to get through all that and still have time to actually use the software.

Not to mention background updating. I don't even know when Chrome has updated half the time, unless something stops working.

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Post by pinkythepig »

spockz wrote: post #352
jtxx wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ProtonMail has come a long way as a replacement for Gmail as well. Suuuper happy with them, they're really responsive to feature requests and support inquiries. I requested for an iOS feature to choose browsers so I could open all links from PM in Firefox. They had it implemented in a month or something... it a quick fix but that impressed me. hence me shilling here They recently added ProtonCalendar too.

Is there a provider that lets you send emails from free format users on your domain? With catch all addresses the mail goes into my other@domain account. I use a different email address per site. Now with gmail if I want to reply with that account I first need to create it as an alias. If I want to reply from my phone it even needs to be a full account. Is there any way to fix this? Short of using mutt and write the…

I can do this with fastmail, though fastmail is a subscription (like $5/month? IIRC, mine auto renews every 2 years so not sure). I have my primary email setup as @.org. If you set your dns records correctly with them, that allows you to use without any ahead of time setup @..org. Setting a different tag where I have is can be done too, but you need to set those up individually.

replying to emails, I can change to whatever I want.

They also offer random domains that you can setup burners under, though that does involve some ahead of time setup.

Re: Let's guess what Google requires in 14 days or they kill our extension

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Post by geza »

I got the same notification yesterday morning for my own open-source extension HabitLab ( https://habitlab.stanford.edu/ ) - same vague request for "you're not using the minimal set of permissions" without mentioning what permissions they want me to stop using (HabitLab is already using the minimal set of permissions for the features it implements - any removal of permissions would have to be done at the expense of reduced functionality). Emailing just results in them sending me a link to the policy. So this is definitely not an isolated case.
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