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Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by Avamander »

buboard wrote: post #343
saagarjha wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now everyone posts their content on a handful of sites - Medium, Reddit, StackOverflow. They do not and it would be a sad day if they did. Please don’t help push us towards that any further.

They do though. Old content will just gradually disappear into webarchive. Let's not pretend it didnt happen. (oh and btw we will probably change that again, but the content won't go into webpages-hosted-somewhere but probably will be served directly from the user's phne)

Only if it's common knowledge. I've legit started to add "blog" to my searches to find more obscure knowledge.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by behnamoh »

FabHK wrote: post #353
bko wrote: post #73

Google's dominance is almost entirely due to the fact that its by far the best at search. I use ddg, but I use google search via !g about 25-50% of the time after a failed attempts. And 9 times out of 10 Google gives me exactly what I'm looking for. For instance: "the actor that plays the news guy in spiderman" ddg: Tom Holland (side bar) Spider-Man Homecoming (imdb) Tom Holland (wiki) Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Ver…

> Google's dominance is almost entirely due to the fact that its by far the best at search. Yeah, and due to economies of scale and network effects it will stay that way, unless some people are willing to suffer the minor inconvenience of using a slightly inferior competitor.

Why would they tho?

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by leni536 »

hiccuphippo wrote: post #347
jefftk wrote: post #271

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Are you talking about the browser's autocomplete? That's not something servers can detect unless you interact with it. Or do you mean something else?

No. On login Google shows you your email address so you can click on it and only fill the password. Which means it knows you were logged in on that browser previously.

It knows that one from cookies, not applicable to incognito mode. Google probably does some other fingerprinting as well though.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by kwhitefoot »

Cliqz gives me two choices for UI language, neither of which I speak, though I can read a little. It gives me three choices of search area: USA, Germany, France.

I would prefer the UI in English and I want hits from wherever they may be found not restricted to some small area.

Good try, but some way to go.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by Akababa »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #109
bko wrote: post #73

Google's dominance is almost entirely due to the fact that its by far the best at search. I use ddg, but I use google search via !g about 25-50% of the time after a failed attempts. And 9 times out of 10 Google gives me exactly what I'm looking for. For instance: "the actor that plays the news guy in spiderman" ddg: Tom Holland (side bar) Spider-Man Homecoming (imdb) Tom Holland (wiki) Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Ver…

> And the results were made in incognito mode so Google wasn't able to cheat with privileged information about me as a user. that's not what Incognito mode does. It prevents your search from being included in the browsing history and doesn't send cookies from active sessions, but that's about it. Google still knows this is you being unauthenticated. You don't need to be logged into google to be reliably targeted with…

I get the same results with a VPN, so regardless of how you slice it they win on relevance.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by johnpowell »

bko wrote: post #73

Google's dominance is almost entirely due to the fact that its by far the best at search. I use ddg, but I use google search via !g about 25-50% of the time after a failed attempts. And 9 times out of 10 Google gives me exactly what I'm looking for. For instance: "the actor that plays the news guy in spiderman" ddg: Tom Holland (side bar) Spider-Man Homecoming (imdb) Tom Holland (wiki) Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Ver…

I tried using DDG and found myself using !G a lot for simple things. Then I switched to Bing about six months ago and have only had to use google a few times.

I know, Bing.. But I have used Windows for about 30 minutes in the last year and that was just to help my mom fix her printer. I don't think I have ever had a Microsoft related account since Hotmail. I know they track me but I don't use MicrosoftDrive or WintowsTube so I can live with it.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by jefftk »

hiccuphippo wrote: post #347
jefftk wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you talking about the browser's autocomplete? That's not something servers can detect unless you interact with it. Or do you mean something else?

No. On login Google shows you your email address so you can click on it and only fill the password. Which means it knows you were logged in on that browser previously.

That shouldn't be possible in private browsing, unless you've previously logged into Google in that same private session.

One way you could see something similar to this would be if you opened a clean session, logged into Google, logged out of Google, thought you closed the last incognito window but didn't, and then opened a new incognito window? Then the user cookie would still be in client-side storage

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by __ka »

FabHK wrote: post #330
__ka wrote: post #79

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There is - click the settings icon on the top-right corner. Then click on Sucheinstellungen, and under Sprache choose English.

Might make sense to make that more easily discoverable for international users, but I guess you're working on it.

Yep, we'll try to push an update in the coming days for a more meaningful interface and result language detection.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by rdiddly »

tracer4201 wrote: post #238
rdiddly wrote: post #225

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Are you reacting to the blog post, or something else? I didn't see any anti-success rhetoric, only anti-monopoly rhetoric. But for the record, success isn't sacred, especially if people succeed at something that sucks. I'd be decidedly anti-success where genocidal dictators were concerned, for example. I'd be explicitly against their ambition, their drive, and their personal fulfillment and growth journeys, sorry.

What behavior here is breaking anti trust laws? And please be specific. Amazing that you compare Google and genocidal dictators.

Did I mention anti-trust laws? And do you understand the concept of an example?

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by kwhitefoot »

Aeolun wrote: post #203
__ka wrote: post #200

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Many thanks for the feedback. We'll add the language autodetection for the interface and results this week. There is no profiling taking place. The country is just to select what index you would like results from - we'll try to make the UI better. This is still beta, so please keep on using it and we'd love to hear more feedback [beta@cliqz.com].

I second the need to do some form of detection for language. My browser tells webpages I want results in english (Accept-language header), and this can be safely used to detect what is most appropriate initially. If not that, then at least IP, considering I’m sitting in the US.

No, please do not use IP addresses to infer UI language preference. Google does that and it a right royal pain in the arse. Every time I visit a different country Blogger's log in page is in a different language ignoring the carefully specified browser settings giving me Polish when I am in Poland, Norwegian when I am in Norway, etc.
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