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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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I love how Apple claim to care so much about the environment and then goes on to create basically the most unfixable pieces of hardware possible. Great job, really awesome for the environment Apple.

This comment is randomly bashing Apple for not acting ecologically while suggesting that alternatives are somehow better. Apple can and should be criticized for shitty environmental behavior when you can actually back up your claim. Not that there would be any proof in the comment, no. For example, how do Lenovo, Samsung or Dell handle this stuff and can you explain why their approaches produce less waste? Of course…

> that alternatives are somehow better

Microsoft just released Surface X with a door on the back for replacing the drive. The device is 0.28 inches thick.

Thinkpad X1 Carbon and Dell XPS both have replaceable drives. From opening the case. If anything I'm struggling to find another laptop maker who solders the drives to the boards like Apple does...

Drive failure isn't a possibility, it's a certainty and soldering them to the board creates a hard deadline when the laptop turns from a computer to a brick.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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I love how Apple claim to care so much about the environment and then goes on to create basically the most unfixable pieces of hardware possible. Great job, really awesome for the environment Apple.

This comment is randomly bashing Apple for not acting ecologically while suggesting that alternatives are somehow better. Apple can and should be criticized for shitty environmental behavior when you can actually back up your claim. Not that there would be any proof in the comment, no. For example, how do Lenovo, Samsung or Dell handle this stuff and can you explain why their approaches produce less waste? Of course…

https://www.engadget.com/2019/11/07/surface-pro-x-ifixit-tea... (Surface Pro X teardown reveals one of the most repairable tablets ever)

If Microsoft can do it, Apple could do it too and even improve upon it.

Also I can't see why the original comment is about "hating on Apple". All I see is legitimate criticism about some issues with Apple products, that apparently many other people have too. Your comment on the other side is very emotional and full of snide remarks.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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isn't this for performance purposes?

Soldering it down doesn't provide any quantifiable performance improvements. It probably allows them to make it smaller / thinner, and less expensive to manufacture. However, now if any one component (memory, CPU, SSD drive) goes bad the entire set must be tossed! When this happens, it will be expensive for the unlucky customer. All so Apple could avoid including a bit more plastic for the component sockets. Also, SS…

> It probably allows them to make it smaller / thinner

Surface X is 0.28 inches thick and has a door on the back for accessing the SSD. Apple could do better.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Repairing a device by replacing a small part (preferably only the broken component) uses far less resources than recycling. For most other laptops, repair or replacement of common components doesn't depend so much on the manufacturer. The skill and equipment required to do the repair is significantly reduced. All else being equal, this makes it more likely that the laptop will be repaired rather than discarded.

Not trying to be cynical here because I also would prefer a MBP that was more serviceable/repairable, but all these discussions about how repairability impacts the environmental cost of these devices are IMO extremely contrived. How many (in percentage terms) of laptops will ever need repairs, how many of those will actually be repaired (as opposed to consumers just deciding to buy something new, even if repair would…

> How many (in percentage terms) of laptops will ever need repairs, how many of those will actually be repaired (as opposed to consumers just deciding to buy something new, even if repair would be relatively easy and cheap)

Whether end-users try to repair their laptops depends in part on their expectations; and their expectations depend a lot on how repair-able laptops are in general. My second-to-last laptop, a Dell, lasted me nearly a decade. I upgraded the hard disk, upgraded the memory, and replaced the inverter in the display twice. I mainly replaced it because it was about 4x the weight of newer laptops, and had started eating batteries. There's no reason more laptops couldn't last as long.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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I’ve never known anyone to throw away a Mac. They get used until the temptation to upgrade becomes too big, then sold onto someone with different needs. I don’t have a Mac, and I think they should be more repairable, but I still think they’re ahead of most the rest.

Please stop with the apologetic fanboy rhethoric. It's not helping. I have thrown away several macbooks and I know several people that has too. I used to have Macbooks, I upgraded them with new disks and memory. Today that would not have been possible which is one big reason I would never buy a macbook to begin with. This behavior is bad for all consumers of their products and should not be defended with anecdotal st…

“Fanboy rhetoric”? How does this add to the conversation?

Anecdotally (which is all your point boils down to) I know that businesses rarely upgrade machines. Home users rarely do either. Gamers and enthusiasts are the people that tend repair or upgrade. These people are a vanishingly small number. I have no problem with Apple, or anyone else, replacing broken or damaged items with new/refurbished ones, so long as they are responsible with the disposal or reuse of the damaged article. Apple demonstrably are.

Apple offer free recycling[0] and it’s available in most countries, if not all. It is reasonably well publicised and easily searchable. If an individual chooses to dispose of a device in an inappropriate way, that’s on them, not the manufacturer of the device.

[0] https://www.apple.com/uk/recycling/nationalservices/

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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For those who are not in a hurry to upgrade, ( If you are on 2015 MBP ), the next upgrade which should be soon, will get you WiFi 6 and Icelake, with 20%+ IPC and hopefully Apple will throw in 10 Core Config in as well. I kind of felt Apple rushed as the problem with Keyboard were big enough and Apple had to release something to calm the market, not to mention Intel 10nm Icelake is late as usual. And of all the thing…

For those who are not in a hurry to upgrade There is always something new just around the corner.

>There is always something new just around the corner.

True, but something new isn't always something better, and isn't always worth waiting for. Aka 2016 - 2019 MBP 15". And in the above cases, I consider Icelake IPC and Security improvement along with WiFI 6 to be quite a significant upgrade, not the same could be said for the past 3 update of MacBook Pro.

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For those who are not in a hurry to upgrade, ( If you are on 2015 MBP ), the next upgrade which should be soon, will get you WiFi 6 and Icelake, with 20%+ IPC and hopefully Apple will throw in 10 Core Config in as well. I kind of felt Apple rushed as the problem with Keyboard were big enough and Apple had to release something to calm the market, not to mention Intel 10nm Icelake is late as usual. And of all the thing…

AFAIK the current available Icelake CPUs are low power (9-15 Watt) and have only 4 cores. For the MacBook Pro Intel has to release something beefier.

Yes and that is assuming their 10nm do yield... and so far there is no sign of that happening.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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For a while they built computers to be servicable. See the ibook or the original unibody macbooks. It changed recently at least only in 2012.

Or the Mac Pro. While it’s not a laptop, the original cheese grater Mac Pro is a delight to open up. It’s amazing to see what Apple can come up with when they make serviceability a central design goal. The new one looks nice too, though it seems significantly overpriced.

The Powermac G3 and G4 towers were awesome. Just pull a lever and the side drops down. Everything is nice, neat, and accessible. The G5 towers were similarly functional and very nice as well, and the early Mac Pro towers were obviously based on the same design. It should also be noted that the old beige PowerMacs were no worse than PCs of similar vintage.

There seems to have been a large cultural shift at Apple toward extreme form-over-function around the time of the intel transition. I still have to deal with Macs because my wife uses them, and they've only been getting worse. Personally, I've been on PCs running Linux for several years now.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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The 64GB of ram alone makes the new 16" a completely different machine. It really can't even be compared to the previous generations. 64 opens up a lot of possibilities in the media creation space that, realistically, were just not there with 32, and were pretty much impossible with 16 gig. Given a choice, I would much rather have had the 64 gig rather than a new keyboard. A keyboard you can put a cover on. There's n…

If 64GiB of ram makes that difference, doesn't that work belong on a workstation with the power to handle it?

I don't think people like having multiple computers, and since they need portability, they want a beefy laptop. I personally hate spending time on all the incidental configuration that having multiple computers entails; keeping them up to date, making sure that all your settings are sync'd, and the inevitable configuration that isn't in easily git-able config files that you have to perform manually each time.

I also find it to be a pain in the ass to unplug and plug laptops in to docking stations; you get up for a meeting, none of your windows are where you left them when you get back. So I just use an iPad and ssh to where I need to work. This doesn't work for everyone, but since I mostly only use a web browser and a tmux session, it works fine for me. And thus, I don't have to deal with configuring multiple computers or carrying around a heavy laptop. Great when you travel; it's hard to say "no computer this trip!" and the iPad fills the gap nicely. If you are travelling for work, there will be a computer with an ssh client on it for you when you arrive. If you are travelling for fun, you probably don't want to spend a ton of time on the computer, but it's nice to be able to watch a movie in your hotel room or peruse an ebook before bed. So I just have a very powerful workstation and a very underpowered non-laptop, and get what I think the best of both worlds is.

But many people really like having the same setup at home, at work, and when travelling, and for those people, the beefy laptop seems like the right solution. (They probably also use programs that were developed after 1980, and need the GUI anyway. I think I would be stuck if I needed to use Fusion 360 or lay out a PCB while out and about with my iPad. But it's never come up for me.)

(My experience is based on my 2015 Macbook that I had at work. It didn't have a docking station, so every meeting that you took it to involved unplugging at least 4 cables; power, USB hub, 2 monitors. OS X appeared to be worse than Linux at handling displays going away, so it was always a major undertaking for something that should not be a major undertaking. I'm not really a Mac person, though, so maybe I was doing it wrong.

My personal laptop was a Surface Pro. I never used it except when travelling, so whenever I arrived at my destination it would turn on and say "hey you haven't updated me for like 3 months, this is a major crisis and I am going to freak out until updates are installed. This requires 1TB of data and 12 hours. Have fun! Oh by the way, all your settings are gone now and if you change them, I will also change them for you on your desktop at home when you log back in! Fun stuff! Value add! Innovation!"

No more.)

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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It's not allowed to take more than 100wh in carry-on flight luggage (in some countries).

no way tsa checks

The one time they do, you will either be abandoning your $3000 laptop or missing your $3000 flight. Better to follow the rules. Not because the rules are intrinsically good, but because not following them can be a big waste of time.
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