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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by zaroth »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #243
leesec wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah so I don't care about the blutooth because my car DRIVES ITSELF a big percent of the time. it's fundamentally changed how I view driving. Stop and Go traffic no longer makes me mad. Road trips no longer exhaust me. There's probably some issues but none that I care about. It feels like driving the future. It's an absolute joy to drive. No gas stations is pretty nice too.

I'm driving a Toyota Corolla with lane assist which does 95% of what Tesla "Self Driving" does. It accelerates and brakes for me in traffic, and correct courses to stay in my lane. This is a 18k$ car and I would not accept trading Bluetooth issues with fancy parking summon features.

Is this the system you’re talking about? [1]

If so, it’s constantly disengaging to the point it seems unusable. This is not anywhere remotely 95% of what AutoPilot does.

Look at Autonomous Day presentations on things like cut-in detection and lane changes. Look at what the active accident avoidance technology accomplishes in the real world. The Toyota system is not even trying to do any of that.

[1] - https://youtu.be/5QNw1n5JLLw

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by cptskippy »

not_a_cop75 wrote: post #180
tidepod12 wrote: post #109

Bit of a bad look that the video clip showing Smart Summon shows the Tesla driving the wrong direction down a one-way lane... This might be a situation where Tesla Smart Summon works only when Tesla's are still rare. In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video.

I would like to see how a street full of all Teslas manage to avoid each other, or plow into each other. A sort of AI driven automotive musical chairs.

I love that completely perfect or catastrophic failure are both acceptable out comes AND the only acceptable outcomes for that scenario. If a couple cars clipped each other or there were a couple fender benders everyone would be like "this is bullsh*t!"

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by greglindahl »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #235
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not a Tesla owner but it does seem to me that buying in to the company that has single handedly changed the landscape of electric vehicles is a pretty exciting notion. I’d be happier to have a vehicle built on seemingly better principles and support the company even if they’re not perfect. But then I use Linux even though it’s difficult at times because what I am using is more important than any specific flaws it…

It occurs to me that I would equate Mac to Tesla and Linux to a car in which you get full access to the engine and are able to change any piece you want. Tesla is the opposite of Linux philosophy.

After I got a Tesla I had a lot of fun writing javascript software for the big touchscreen. It was especially cool for hackathons. YMMV.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by steelframe »

kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

The Mazda EVs coming out over the next couple of years won't have touchscreens, if that's close enough for you.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-pur...

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by zaroth »

CreepGin wrote: post #359
jread wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a Tesla owner for 5 years - currently have a P85+ (mine), M3 (wife) and Mercedes GL (family car). Prior to this owned 2 Fords, and 2 Hondas before that. For me personally, I'll take the Tesla any day over any other brand, and my non-techy wife is the same. Hard to explain, but I think it's the overall ownership and driving experience including: - Buying experience is so much more pleasant - set price and no…

> I don't trust autopilot for anything but long road trips (it's excellent for that), it's tried to kill me too many times - I think the marketing hype is way ahead of actual capabilities. What about in heavy traffic situations? Is autopilot practical for that? I tried to get the driver assistant package (adaptive cruise and lane keeping) for my bmw x4 3 years ago. It was being marketed as good for stop & go situatio…

Tesla AutoPilot is absolutely fantastic in heavy highway traffic.

It’s the difference between stress and elevated heart rate from the stop and go, versus literally peace and relaxation, while you car avoids all the ridiculous crap that goes on around you while everyone else is on their damn phones.

You look out the window and watch the cars around you driving like absolute garbage, and Tesla keeps you in lane and following appropriately behind the car in front.

It’s about 500ms slow to start from a stop, IMO, once the lead car starts moving. I’ve heard from early access v10 drivers that it’s quicker to start moving again in the latest version. I’ll wait to see that for myself, as placebo effect can be strong.

It’s a weird phenomenon. I’m getting home at exactly the same speed, but because I’m not actuating the accelerator, brakes, or steering and just monitoring the higher order situation, suddenly the traffic just doesn’t fucking matter once AutoPilot is turned on.

With more time to focus on the alertness and driving patterns of the people around you (instead of lanekeeping) you do notice just awful, awful driving practices of everyone around you.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by skykooler »

kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Sounds like you want the Bollinger B1.

https://bollingermotors.com/bollinger-b1/

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by zaroth »

dmode wrote: post #51

This is why I am a Tesla fanboy (although somewhat begrudgingly due to Elon's recent antics). They have made car ownership such a joyous experience. I am eagerly waiting to download this and go to town

Sorry you got hateful responses to your honest feedback. Plenty of extremely satisfied Tesla owners absolutely agree with you.

It’s sad seeing people fling mud because someone wants to comment that they enjoy something about TFA as a user of said product.

Incidentally, my son is going to go absolutely bonkers once v10 downloads to my TM3, and I will be feeling approximately the same inside, but will do my best to model a slightly more level reaction.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by zaroth »

cwkoss wrote: post #178
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #2

"Those using Smart Summon must remain responsible for the car and monitor it and its surroundings at all times. " Does this come with an "oh god, stop!" button of some sort?

Does smart summon have a mechanism to avoid sleeping pets (or children) lying under the wheel base? Is that just the 'operator's responsibility?

Are you literally asking about how the feature performs if there is a child hiding under the car?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by zaroth »

Limb wrote: post #9
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #2

"Those using Smart Summon must remain responsible for the car and monitor it and its surroundings at all times. " Does this come with an "oh god, stop!" button of some sort?

I wonder what happens if your phone freezes and you can't push the "oh god, stop!" button? Would you still be at fault?

It’s not an “oh god stop” button.

It’s a “continuing going” button. And if the connection to the car is interrupted even briefly then Summon deactivates.

This is how Summon has always worked. I’ve had my phone die while using it. The car stopped before the shut down spinner graphic even showed up.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by zaroth »

bredren wrote: post #84

Is this memeified announce video typical for official Tesla marketing? It’s so casual it is hard to take seriously. Tesla is not your father’s car.

Had a ~60 year old guy come up to me in the parking lot a couple weeks ago.

He had just bought a Model S for his wife. He said, “I’ve always, always bought Mercedes. Oh man. Oooooh man. That thing. It’s just. So fast. You push the gas and...”

I thought about saying, “What gas?” But I just congratulated him on his (wife’s) new car.

(I drive a TM3, is why he approached me.)

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