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Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Post by digitaltrees » Thu, Aug 01, 2019, 6:04 AM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #337

digitaltrees wrote: post #280

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Have you ever tried to draft regulation? Even tried to capture everything that could possibly go wrong or be harmful, even unexpectedly and inadvertently? All while knowing that everything you forget will be a “loophole” for the thousands or millions of people coming under the regulations you drafted in the future. And worse if you leave loopholes people will be hurt and then blame the very government trying to creat…

Right. The rational way to write regulations is to ban everything. Which to me shows that "the regulatory state" is not the right model.

At what point did I say that? I merely said it’s hard to craft legislation that gets the balance right.

There will always be a regulatory state, the question is what is the authority that imposes the regulation; is it a democratic government, a private company that institutes policy and terms of service, a gang that rules by force and violence. No society I know of has existed without a code of rules and obligations, and America is actually really amazingly effective.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Post by tibbon » Thu, Aug 01, 2019, 5:11 PM UTC

not_a_moth wrote: post #338

tibbon wrote: post #5

Doesn't shock me one bit. I worked for General Assembly ~5 years ago, and they were really serious about getting and staying on top of all the state guidelines. I got the sense that we were the only school taking that seriously at the time. The only thing that shocks me is that we haven't seen such earlier. I don't have a strong opinion about if such things should be regulated or not, but I do know that there's a lot…

Yet General Assembly costs a lot and doesn't seem to help any more or less than the other schools, in my experience. It's also hard to vet because of the marketing. Makes me question said guidelines in the first place.

Agreed entirely. The guidelines help add some transparency, but still are far from perfect. I do believe without them many of these organizations would be far less transparent on their own, or the numbers would be even harder to compare.

I can't remember the last time I recommended anyone attend one of these schools; perhaps never honestly. I've seen them be really useful for some people, but also really unhelpful for many more.

They are a short cut, and leave people with a large amount of technical debt starting out in the form of a knowledge gap. Sometimes you need that, but I'd still recommend (if they can) someone do Course 6 at MIT any day over a 12-week course. Even without it being MIT, there's no way to fit 4 years of knowledge and experience into 12 weeks; none.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Post by stretchwithme » Fri, Aug 02, 2019, 5:55 PM UTC

digitaltrees wrote: post #333

stretchwithme wrote: post #330

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That was more a failure of the artificially constructed electricity market. It didn't allow longterm contracts. Weirdly enough, cities that had their own power companies could have such contracts and didn't get rolling blackouts. I worked in Santa Clara at the time and lived in Sunnyvale. We never lost power at work but frequently found all the clocks flashing when I got home. Which sort of suggests that centralizati…

Yet some how the same regulated market didn’t experience the same problems after their bankruptcy? Come on, you’re really stretching here when there is an obvious answer. You seem to be looking to blame centralization to fit a preconceived normative view of economics rather than just acknowledging maybe markets were not effective or efficient in this particular instance and in fact suffered a massive distortion speci…

I think if you and I lived on the same street and everybody on our street decided to generate and distribute our own power, we would never create such dysfunctional rules.

And if we did, we would probably change it the day after it failed.

Centralization enables a lot of good thing but also some bad things. Lobbying thrives on centralization because it is easier for decision makers to scam people they don't know, more likely to happen with centralization.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Post by digitaltrees » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 8:40 AM UTC

stretchwithme wrote: post #363

digitaltrees wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet some how the same regulated market didn’t experience the same problems after their bankruptcy? Come on, you’re really stretching here when there is an obvious answer. You seem to be looking to blame centralization to fit a preconceived normative view of economics rather than just acknowledging maybe markets were not effective or efficient in this particular instance and in fact suffered a massive distortion speci…

I think if you and I lived on the same street and everybody on our street decided to generate and distribute our own power, we would never create such dysfunctional rules. And if we did, we would probably change it the day after it failed. Centralization enables a lot of good thing but also some bad things. Lobbying thrives on centralization because it is easier for decision makers to scam people they don't know, mor…

Have you ever lived in a neighborhood with a home owners association? Any institution that is made up of more that a few people will come up with rules that seem stupid. Even in a small scale like that.