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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by manigandham »

18pfsmt wrote: post #334
CydeWeys wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Premium prices are set at the registry level, and for Google's TLDs, are charged annually. The EAP fee is a one time only up-front cost. Domains being sold by resellers are something different entirely, but yeah, some registrars that participate in reseller networks may lump those in as "premium" as well, which is confusing. Those prices tend to be one-time acquisition costs.

Because this is your area of expertise, can I ask you why more registrars are not selling 10 or 20 year domain ownership? Who wants a domain for just a year (if you agree with the premise behind individuals owning domains in the first place)? If I could buy a domain for 50 years, I'd do it.

We already have enough sleazy domain squatters holding names for years and trading for ridiculous prices. Instead of long ownerships, we should have some way to prove you're actually using the domain after a certain number of years.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by mort96 »

deadmutex wrote: post #352
sundvor wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably none, going by the track record.

It really depends on the product. E.g. if you buy Google Wifi, you can call them or chat with customer support, etc. If you need help with constructing a web search query, not so much. So, please do not over generalize or compare apples to oranges.

You can't say for sure that any new Google product is guaranteed to have horrible customer support, but you probably should assume that any new Google product has horrible customer support until you see proof of the contrary.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by bjt »

pluc wrote: post #12

The .dev TLD worked fine before it was bought. Now we have to use .test or .local. I don't get what Google thinks they'll get out of sponsoring putting sites under development online.

One company I worked at thought it would be a good idea to use .local for their global internal network.

Worked fine for Windows folks. Was an huge pain in the ass for anyone on a Mac (using Bonjour) or Linux machine (using Avahi). No auto discovery of printers.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by hombre_fatal »

manigandham wrote: post #361
18pfsmt wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this is your area of expertise, can I ask you why more registrars are not selling 10 or 20 year domain ownership? Who wants a domain for just a year (if you agree with the premise behind individuals owning domains in the first place)? If I could buy a domain for 50 years, I'd do it.

We already have enough sleazy domain squatters holding names for years and trading for ridiculous prices. Instead of long ownerships, we should have some way to prove you're actually using the domain after a certain number of years.

I disagree. At the end of the day, they are still vanity domain names. Adding more paperwork and process doesn't change that.

For example, pitch a solution that doesn't just make squatters upload some bare bones index.html. Or check a registrar's checkbox to park the domain somewhere with content. Or, well, upload the minimum amount of substance that you think is necessary.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by whatshisface »

18pfsmt wrote: post #347
vtange wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was this one guy who lost a valuable Twitter handle due to him using his custom domain email (via GoDaddy) as a login email.[0] I'd like to think imagine Google is better than GoDaddy when it comes to security and fighting social-engineering attacks but who knows. But if Google is a weak link wouldn't that also mean all our gmails are not as safe as we think? [0] https://medium.com/@N/how-i-lost-my-50-000-twitt…

I hate to be that guy, but I honestly hope you don't make decisions based on anecdotes, and instead rely on data. You are dependent on your vendors, period. Choose them wisely. This is not a mystery.

>You are dependent on your vendors, period.

You aren't dependent on your vendors if you can switch them out without destroying your company. The real mystery is why people turn their own businesses in to little barnacles on the skin of behemoths and expect to not get brushed off.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by nikanj »

deadmutex wrote: post #352
sundvor wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably none, going by the track record.

It really depends on the product. E.g. if you buy Google Wifi, you can call them or chat with customer support, etc. If you need help with constructing a web search query, not so much. So, please do not over generalize or compare apples to oranges.

As a customer, I can't be expected to have a mental model of which Google services come with actual support, and which ones come with Google-it-yourself support.

Comparing Google products to Google products should not be comparing apples to oranges. If Google is frustrated with customers assuming they don't support their products, maybe they should support all of their products, not just a select few.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by j1vms »

oaiey wrote: post #122

I feel disappointed about the pricing. Shows a complete lack of understanding of developers. Right pricing steps are 0,1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,...

Unless those developers are working as team. Then they should be:

0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,...

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by nikanj »

bduerst wrote: post #300
cabraca wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i guess he is talking about the premium domains: > During both the Early Access Program and General Availability, there is a $12/year cost for .dev domains. Annual fees may vary for Premium domains.

"Premium" domains are resold domains. The prices are typically dictated by the person holding them.

Many of the new TLDs do their own domain squatting. Short, pronounceable domain names are flagged as "premium", and sold at a higher price.

It's a nifty business hack actually, as unlike a 3rd party squatter, the TLD itself has no financial risk in upmarking domains.

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