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Re: Reddit is raising a huge round near a $3B valuation

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Reddit played a big part in the 2016 USA elections that crowned Trump. Reddit had to change its front page algorithm to avoid having Trump content near the top of the page for almost the whole time. The subreddit in question organized itself to mass-upvote certain posts at certain times, and Reddit wasn't prepared for such massive, non-organic influence. I wonder how big of a part the Russian bots and trolls played.…

Reddit is still a haven for the far-right. It really leaves a bad taste in my mouth that they are tolerated there.

The way to deal is not to push them off the net.

They will cry foul and get plenty of attention.

A while back, a far right sub got closed. People were kind of lost as always happens when moderators take a sub private.

Others, and this happened during the heay of the 2016 election, offered up a space. A thread on a definitely not far right sub.

Was, "have a beer, tell us about it" essentially. No judgement, just a place to talk past frustration.

The chatter that night was interesting. Relations were permenantly improved. Some of the "far" was also rolled off. (I was there, ran that little experiment and followed users and discussion for a time afterword.)

Aaron was passionate about this effect. Reddit, in general, used to be. When people talk broadly, things improve.

When they get contained, things amplify.

Reddit sees people with interests, things to say. Others, including some moderators at Reddit, sees groups of people.

That clash is not talked about as much as it should be.

Humanizing others different from us is something Reddit has done well. When it is done, the state of conflict improves. Reddit has also contained discussion, and amplified the toxic too. Ugly stuff.

We all run the same basic way, and we all have more in common than we often recognize, or admit.

One other thing:

A very toxic shitpost sub got to hating on a community I moderated. Two of us decided to make some friends.

For a month, we would rate their toxicity, employ good humor, laugh with, etc...

Amazingly, this worked far better than we expected. Soon, there were people in that toxic mess rooting for us, and it became increasingly difficult for the sub to be toxic and believe it had impact.

As the tipping point approached, we got banned, and the shitposts to follow fell flat. Everyone saw how ugly it was and our humor was missed.

They quit after that. The friends remained, some left the toxic haven.

Now, there are people like you and me that have the same bad taste for "far lefties", and in general, "those other people."

What we community managers, app builders, data scientists should be doing is finding ways to exploit the effects I put here.

And we should be making tools to foster better communication.

Those tools are software, and giving people options, making them aware of their own agency in dialog.

The former has only limited success as many communities will show. Blocks, bans, other things...

When combined with empowering people to take charge of their interactions, weigh what others say, it is a whole new game.

I have applied these to communities who end up very troll resistant and able to communicate across broad swaths of humanity.

Righteous indignation is not the only way to respond to toxic speech. In fact, it is often the very worst, yet the domimant exchange is indignation, largely for the often set expectations encouraging it.

Some rando says something toxic and when weighted, it is laughable, pathetic. It for sure is not meaningful.

Trolling works on righteous indignation.

Free hugs, humor, empathy, and more all snuff it out.

The same goes for very different worldviews. Make some friends, have a common human basis and those differences begin to melt.

Frankly, I see 3 billion being used to sell shit, get user data.

Shame that some of it is very unlikely to be used to improve communications and add some real value along the way.

Edit: Reddit is an amazing playform to run the social dynamics experiments. Lots to be learned there for those who go looking.

Re: Reddit is raising a huge round near a $3B valuation

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It gives users easier access and a better experience, so they're more likely to return and to spend longer. The ultimate goal is to become a "default time waster" for as many people as possible, who open the app whenever they're bored.

There's no "better experience" in an app, unless it relies on native features like low-level high performance graphics, accelerometer/sensors, and other physical phone attributes not yet exposed to browsers.

Specific native features that you're missing are platform controls, better UI performance, and support for APIs like notifications.

Re: Reddit is raising a huge round near a $3B valuation

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>Isn't there a ton of data that most people don't even use many apps anymore? Or they install them once and then uninstall them or ignore them? That doesn't mean the app can't exfiltrate data (presumably data useful to advertisers) in the background.

The browser is a client that works for the user (well, Google, Apple, and Microsoft muddy the waters). The mobile app is a program that works for the developer. The end result of browsers becoming more adtech-hostile and user-friendly is that more companies turn to mobile apps.

I can understand a developer/company wanting to do the app route to regain control (and not having to deal with the annoying inconsistencies/hacks in different browsers/versions), but is ad / tracker blocking really the major driver of going the app route?

Re: Reddit is raising a huge round near a $3B valuation

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Yeah the horde of edgelords in WPD totally isn't one of the reasons the sub got quarantined. Gore will always be considered shock content, but the comments in WPD are almost always downright repulsive.

A lot of subs are full of edgelords. The sub was quarantined because they need to make Reddit more palatable to investors and advertisers.

A lot of subreddits had that happen to them. It's sad because they are choosing who can speak and who cannot.

Re: Reddit is raising a huge round near a $3B valuation

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It’s funny, the web app used to be really good. Much better than the native app. Since then they have been making the web app increasingly worse over time, actively degrading its functionality and pleasantness to use.

The degradation seems to directly correlate with the modern-feel of the page. I'm not sure if that's intentional. It seems that modern front end fashion is a huge step backwards from earlier fashions in web development.

They are building camouflage for advertising.

Re: Reddit is raising a huge round near a $3B valuation

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They've totally broken "quarantined" subreddits as well. I used to occasionally visit /r/watchpeopledie as a reminder of my own mortality and some of the horrors of the world, but apparently NSFW wasn't enough for people visiting "watchpeopledie" to realize they might see something bad. So they "quarantined" it, which actually means totally breaking it, in my browser at least. RIP. Discussion by others here [0] "I'm…

Yeah the horde of edgelords in WPD totally isn't one of the reasons the sub got quarantined. Gore will always be considered shock content, but the comments in WPD are almost always downright repulsive.

Which has nothing to do with the content.

Re: Reddit is raising a huge round near a $3B valuation

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You can just permanently set your account to use the old layout/view. I've noticed little to no changes other than user profiles, which are the "old new" ones. On my phone I use reddit is fun. I have no issues at all with reddit atm in terms of them fucking with my experience.

"permenantly", except for the bug where about 1 pageview in 10 it still redirects you to new reddit. I think it's something related to improperly configured (server-side) caching or something.

I've never seen that happen. I only see it when I'm logged out on computer.

Re: Reddit is raising a huge round near a $3B valuation

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They've totally broken "quarantined" subreddits as well. I used to occasionally visit /r/watchpeopledie as a reminder of my own mortality and some of the horrors of the world, but apparently NSFW wasn't enough for people visiting "watchpeopledie" to realize they might see something bad. So they "quarantined" it, which actually means totally breaking it, in my browser at least. RIP. Discussion by others here [0] "I'm…

Yeah the horde of edgelords in WPD totally isn't one of the reasons the sub got quarantined. Gore will always be considered shock content, but the comments in WPD are almost always downright repulsive.

"edgelords"? Really? That's the best word you found to describe them?

Re: Reddit is raising a huge round near a $3B valuation

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You can just permanently set your account to use the old layout/view. I've noticed little to no changes other than user profiles, which are the "old new" ones. On my phone I use reddit is fun. I have no issues at all with reddit atm in terms of them fucking with my experience.

I agree, but it’s jarring going between devices (phone, iPad and computer) and the multiple interfaces. Then the repeated niggling to use the app. If I haven’t after several years, the chances are I don’t want to.

I am never nagged. I use RES on desktop to modify a few things, among others a dark theme. I use the RIF dark theme. Works pretty similarly.
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