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Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers

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Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers

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Post by DoctorOetker »

daveheq wrote: post #337
Itaxpica wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how people only ever use "entitled" to describe labor demanding better treatment from management, but never to describe management demanding that labor do more for less.

There's a difference between "entitled" and "self-entitled"; so many people abuse the word.

if the quote is

>Googlers just come off as entitled

then "entitled" does seem to be the same concept you refer to as "self-entitled" ...

I don't mind people proposing different uses of language, but the person you are responding to literally quoted "entitled" which in original context meant exactly what you refer to as "self-entitled"

so I really see no value in your "correction" or was that a "self-correction" ?

Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers

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Post by scrumbledober »

fixermark wrote: post #307
Apocryphon wrote: post #192

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Tell it to the workers in the video game industry.

Videogames, in particular, should be a fascinating case study in lack of unionization. I assume it's because there's always another batch of fresh-out-of-college young people willing to throw their bodies onto that grindstone that we haven't yet seen successful unionization in that space?

I think video game developers are a subset of developers and that subset is almost entirely passionate about video games. Very few people end up working in game development if they are not passionate about it. I think any time you have a workforce who are passionate about their field you can get people to work for less than if they held the same job in a different field that wasn't full of passionate fans.

Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers

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Post by roenxi »

Zombiethrowaway wrote: post #355
Aunche wrote: post #349

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Every time an Googler has a minor complaint about something that is miles away from their area of expertise expertise, it blows up to the front page of Hacker News. That's what I find entitled. They can't accept that one of the largest companies in the world is not going to bend to the wills. This happened with the Damore memo or project Maven, so they feed misleading information to the media to get populist pressure…

>Every time [...] it blows up [... on] Hacker News. Or only every time you hear about it? Yes, employees are fighting for their wills. What's wrong with that? If you don't fight you don't get anything

> What's wrong with that?

Being employed by Google should not give you special political or social privilege. For someone to have the privilege of deciding what one of the worlds largest companies does, they should stump up the resources to become a shareholder.

You do not want corporations becoming political. Grocers should not choose their customers based on their political leanings. That would be bad. The principles are the same.

Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers

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Post by contravariant »

bb101 wrote: post #8

It just goes to show that a large company is made up of many different people in different departments, sometimes with different agendas. It appears that there is a conflict of vision within Google.

What matter is what Google ends up doing. The fact that Google also has employees with a different ideology is irrelevant if those aren't in control.

Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers

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Post by Roboprog »

ben_jones wrote: post #325
gcb0 wrote: post #309

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let me try to help you fill the data you assumed with concrete examples. search H1b applications for google and other companies. you will see google hires with 60-100k salaries. being stuck for 10yrs on the lowest end of our category pay is very far from "high social mobility"

Only one data point but this [1] suggests otherwise. It invalidates the idea that the median is in the [1]: https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=GOOGLE+INC&job=SOFTWARE+EN...

Median $127K on that search, FWIW

Well over $100K, but that won’t go as far in San Jose as it would in Sacramento :-)

Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers

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Post by stale2002 »

rchaud wrote: post #273
stale2002 wrote: post #254

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Unions also often times throw up massive barriers to entry in order to keep out new comers. I absolutely do not want everyone to be forced to get a degree, and a certification just to be allow to make a freaking web app. Right now there is nothing preventing companies from hiring someone who just went to an 8 week bootcampers, and this is a good thing. I know many people who have done this route.

Nobody is talking about unionizing at a sub-10 person shop, aka the type of place where bootcamp grads learn the ropes. The companies unionization would affect are behemoths (FAANG but also HP, IBM, Oracle etc) that hire enormous numbers of people, few to none of whom would be a fresh bootcamp grad.

I know lots of bootcamp grads who got their first job at large and mid sized companies (100+).

You should go look up the companies that grads from places like hack reactor go to. There are many big names in there

(and grads that I know personally, that have gone to work for places like Uber, Airbnb, and LinkedIn).

Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers

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Post by newscracker »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #241
MattyRad wrote: post #207

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Relations with Google are definitely starting to sour, here are a few recent examples: - IE switches to Chromium engine, Chrome has full clearance to dominate the web. - Questionable actions toward ad-blocking (seen only just yesterday). - Colluding with China to create a blatantly dishonest search engine. - Questionable products (Google Fi, Pixel phone, Google Home, etc, are share their own controversies) - Search r…

Search results quality is decreasing (which is just my personal speculation, DDG is usually retrieves less polluted results). My experience is that DDG results are terrible. I try it periodically and never lasts more than a day. Has that changed?

For me DDG is still nowhere close to Google, but I wouldn't classify it as terrible in general. Also, DDG doesn't have searching by date range and doesn't have searching for recent results beyond one month.

What I do is use DDG as my default, and then progressively use the bang commands [1] to move to Startpage with !s and then to Google with !g. Sometimes it takes a little longer to find something, but I try to avoid using Google search directly as much as possible.

[1]: https://duckduckgo.com/bang

Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers

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Post by SubuSS »

gcb0 wrote: post #309
Aunche wrote: post #116

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The difference is that software engineers, especially those at Google, have high social mobility and are well educated. I think that unions are inefficient, but I'm sympathetic towards or even support most of them because those workers don't have a better option. Googlers just come off as entitled. They should be intelligent enough to acknowledge when they're making clickbaity populist arguments that misrepresent com…

let me try to help you fill the data you assumed with concrete examples. search H1b applications for google and other companies. you will see google hires with 60-100k salaries. being stuck for 10yrs on the lowest end of our category pay is very far from "high social mobility"

Yeah those salary markers don't include the RSU :)

Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers

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Post by yyyymmddhhmmss »

daveheq wrote: post #337
Itaxpica wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how people only ever use "entitled" to describe labor demanding better treatment from management, but never to describe management demanding that labor do more for less.

There's a difference between "entitled" and "self-entitled"; so many people abuse the word.

No. There is not a fundamental difference.

The only difference is that one is more particular to the nature of the entitlement.

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