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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by coldtea »

manigandham wrote: post #322
swalladge wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

Safari is leaving itself in the dirt. It's the new IE with slow, quirky, and unreliable features. They made some advancements in privacy, but so did Firefox without giving up on actual rendering and standards.

>Safari is leaving itself in the dirt. It's the new IE with the slow and unreliable standards.

You mean the actual reliable standards -- and not just rushing to add shiny stuff before it's standardized?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by coldtea »

kccqzy wrote: post #353
cletus wrote: post #278

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Microsoft only releases it on one OS. so if you happen to use a Mac or Linux you need another browser. Chrome and Firefox are the only viable options. Also Microsoft are victims of their own legacy, namely what they did with Internet Explorer. Changing the box model, not adopting standards, not fixing bugs, causing no end of headaches for people having to support IE and so on. Trust needs to be earned. Apple had the…

> Changing the box model Most of the things you said I agree. But honestly the box model is one of these. The additive model standardized by W3C isn't really popular in the web designer crowd. I cut my teeth in an era where W3C and standard compliance were huge things, so I accepted the additive model without question. Nowadays though many designers opt for Microsoft's "broken" box model aka subtractive model through…

There was nothing "broken" about it. It was just non-standard at the time, but the old standards were wrong, like they were on many matters (floats for layout, for example, was a load of shit).

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by manigandham »

coldtea wrote: post #361
manigandham wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari is leaving itself in the dirt. It's the new IE with slow, quirky, and unreliable features. They made some advancements in privacy, but so did Firefox without giving up on actual rendering and standards.

> Safari is leaving itself in the dirt. It's the new IE with the slow and unreliable standards. You mean the actual reliable standards -- and not just rushing to add shiny stuff before it's standardized?

Yes, I'm talking about finished standards, not proposals or experiments. Safari has the tech preview version for that stuff, which is fine.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by coldtea »

vorticalbox wrote: post #290
gamblor956 wrote: post #260

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They want to avoid a second round of antitrust investigations. The first round was spurred in large part by the marketing push behind IE.

It's not antitrust unless you're pushing install your own products and only pushing your products. You knowblike Google do if you access any of there services not in chrome "download chrome here", "this site works best in chrome".

It's not antitrust until (a) you're a monopoly, and (b) blackmail/bribe OEMs to avoid competitor products.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by jcbrand »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Actually, Microsoft's insistence that IE or Edge only run on Windows has been the main reason why I don't test either.

You can get free virtual machines for testing, but it's still a slow, annoying and irritating experience to test in a Windows virtual machine.

That and the fact that IE has always had terrible developer tools.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by coldtea »

badminton1 wrote: post #223
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

It was a bad decision to make the logo similar to Internet Explorer, that alone is enough reason to not use it. They can change the tech as much as they want. They can hire armies of engineers and make the browser 1000% faster than Chrome... but if they reuse the stupid logo it will fail again, and again, and again until they give up and forget that logo ever existed.

Perhaps not everybody is as shallow -- or emotionally invested in the logo

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by kkarakk »

alwillis wrote: post #65
thrower123 wrote: post #32

Broken shit should die. And Edge was definitely broke. Safari is next, with 5% market. Chrome is the clear winner in the end.

Certainly WebKit on iOS, macOS, and watchOS is much more than 5% of active web users. There are over 2 billion iOS devices and every browser on iOS—Firefox, Chrome, Brave—uses WebKit.

not by choice

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by matthewmacleod »

manigandham wrote: post #322
swalladge wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

Safari is leaving itself in the dirt. It's the new IE with slow, quirky, and unreliable features. They made some advancements in privacy, but so did Firefox without giving up on actual rendering and standards.

I don’t think it’s really a reasonable comparison.

Safari does tend to release features a bit later than Firefox or Chrome, but it’s also an open-source, standards-compliant browser that includes almost all modern web tech that the others support. In daily use, I rarely find anything that isn’t supported, with the one exception of issues around WebRTC that have been fixed for some time.

The comparison with IE is flawed.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by frankzander »

happymellon wrote: post #197
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

How can I test Edge when Microsoft don't release it for Mac and Linux? A browser for a single OS? Talk about monoculture.

https://modern.ie

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by vic20forever »

headmelted wrote: post #310
swalladge wrote: post #305

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No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

It's not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web. This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it , and starts using Chromium too. Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become "janky" in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don't…

> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too.

Watching Mozilla align Firefox's extension API with Chromium's, I'm a little surprised that they haven't already made the move. If browser evolution continues along the current path, I predict Firefox will switch to Chromium within 3 years.

> Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become "janky" in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don't load on it like they do Chromium (because developers will only test on the most popular browser, because THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS LITERALLY EVERY TIME).

It's already happening. Until a year or two ago, the only time I ever opened Chrome was when a page using some sort of experimental API ran slowly or not at all on Firefox. Now, the number of mainstream websites I see with serious glitches in Firefox is increasing by the month.

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