“Say some computer science students” sounds like an onion article. Nytimes needs to do better. This article can be written on any subject.
‘I Don’t Really Want to Work for Facebook.’ Say Some Computer Science Students
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#362Today's Facebook is yesterday's Oracle and Microsoft.
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#363Why is this even a story? Most computer science student don't want to work period. They don't want to work for any company.
Most CS grads would like to win the lottery and spend their days pursuing their own interests, contribute to open source or starting their own companies. I know that was my dream and my classmates' dream.
But when graduation comes and the offers come, they'll work for any company that'll pay well.
There are journalist students who don't want to work for the nytimes. Is that a news story?
I'm failing to see what is newsworthy about this story. Where is the line between creating news and reporting on it?
The nytimes could manufacture the exact same story about itself or microsoft or google or any company in the US. Go to any campus and you'll find someone who doesn't want to work for microsoft or google or apple or [insert company name here].
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#364As a soon-to-be college grad, I can attest to this. I applied and interviewed at a number of big tech companies, but explicitly avoided Facebook because of ethical concerns.
On the other hand, I know of only a few classmates whom I believe would not consider them as an employer.
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#365While I feel this title is sensationalized and a little too over your face, like come on you guys all know it is NOT easy to get a facebook job, it is well paid and definitely can have a lots of challenging fun and had a offer from Facebook and at the same the determination/confidence to reject it, IMO, is a privilege not that many people in the world have, I do sympathize with the fact to have a long term career wit…
I mean, you can often find a high paying, interesting job building missiles as well, but I’m sure many would turn that down. The same can be true for Facebook, which has generally had a history of not being the most ethical place to work for. It’s only recently that it’s started to have a negative effect if it’s on your resume, though.
Would surprised to know if they are paying half of what Facebook is paying to new grad, which can reach 200k.
Well, i think saying Facebook has a negative effect on the resume is definitely a stretch. It is probably more proper to say that working at Facebook no longer bears the showing off value it once did, though that is largely true for ALL tech companies as well. The general public just grows more skeptic and indifferent towards tech industry overall.
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#366Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In western societies, no job should pay less than a living wage... Pay is determined chiefly by supply and demand in the labor market. Jobs that are more fun pay less because the supply of workers is higher. Fairness is literally not part of this equation. > On the other side of the ledger, you have immigrants with medical degrees, who are driving cabs for minimum wage. Medical licenses are controlled by the govern…
"Pay is determined chiefly by supply and demand in the labor market. Jobs that are more fun pay less because the supply of workers is higher. Fairness is literally not part of this equation." I think the implication is that society and technology have advanced to the point where, ostensibly, work that can't be automated away should be work that would demand a living wage. If it's tenable for my job to still exist, it…
> I think it's funny that you mention $50/hr for delivering papers as if we should be aghast at the mere thought.
$50/hr for delivering papers would most likely cause the prompt and total collapse of the local economy. If you think otherwise, why stop at merely $50/hour? I'm only aghast that the proposed cure is actually much worse than the disease!
> But as a society, at some point it would be prudent to look around and see whether the way people are living is sustainable, or if, say, the inopportune removal of a welfare or familial wealth Jenga brick would cause the entire tower to collapse into, like, tent cities or whatever.
I agree wholeheartedly, but I'd guess we probably disagree on the remedy. I'd defer to the market which would of course require a free market to exist in the first place for things like housing.
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#367Earlier quoted context omitted.
Generally it's FAANG (minus Amazon, plus some unicorns), for the reasons mentioned above: a very good balance of excellent compensation, talented peers to work with, and interesting work. Joining these companies in the right teams is literally what makes it possible to have an exciting technical career AND the guarantee of being able to retire (or more generally, gain financial freedom) in your early/mid 40s, if one…
Interesting. Out of curiosity, why don't they think Microsoft or Amazon are prestigious? Which one of those parameters do they fail?
Amazon is known to pay less and have a brutal work life balance.
Microsoft is known for paying less and being too big and too political to the point where making an impact is really difficult.
Mind you, this is on average: there are stellar teams at both of those companies that work on incredible stuff, and I would consider an honor and privilege to be in that situation, if the opportunity was given to me. Likewise, there are many teams in Google maintaining internal legacy applications with no challenges to solve, and you would have to pay me 7 figures to force me to work on those.
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#368...the head of the start-up incubator and investment firm, Y Combinator, gave opening remarks, recommending that young people avoid jobs in big tech. “You get to program your life on a totally different scale.... The worst thing that can happen to you is you get a job at Google.” He called those jobs “$100,000 a year welfare” — meaning, he said, that workers can get tethered to the paycheck and avoid taking risks. Wh…
Who cares about the payoff? Startups will still pay you a good enough salary, and if they don't why would you even consider working there? It's not like startups don't pay a salary at all.
And if a startup does pay well, why is it risky to join? Worst case scenario it folds and goes bankrupt in a year. It's not like there's a shortage of software jobs that you'll be unemployed for a long time. Also, for people who want to become founders in the future, joining a startup is their best option to learn about how businesses are built and what mistakes to avoid in building said businesses.
So not everyone is joining startups just for the payoff or to make it big. People are way more realistic than that.
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#369I get that we don’t like Facebook, but isn’t this a bit much? Are they worse than google or amazon? What about people who work for Coca-Cola? What about the people who make mobile games and loot boxes for Blizzard? Where is it ethical to work? I mean, I’ve been in public service for decades, so I know a thing or two about choosing idealism over money, but that’s not for everyone and I frankly don’t think Facebook is…
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#370For every One person who says they dont want to work for FB or GOOG or whatever other "evil" Co. there are millions who do. GooG last year received 1.1mil resumes. There is no shortage of people who will gladly take away your paycheck if you dont want it. This was always the case and will always be (until we progress to a new level humanity as a whole).