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Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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Which law specifically states what you say? It's one thing to target a gender in your advertisement. It's another to deny someone a job based on their gender.

>Which law specifically states what you say? Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964

I read it. Couldn't find mention of advertisement or solicitation for jobs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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I don't understand the problem. The flipside would be they're letting Job Advertisers only target women. I wonder what those numbers look like: What percentage of job advertisers only target women? If I'm spending ad dollars, why would I not choose the most effective form of advertising for me? That's not to say they're not hiring women. In which case it'd be more dubious. Last week in the Bay Area I heard a TSA radi…

The problem is that these "immutable characteristics" are very hard to assess subjectively by humans. Say you divide a group of candidates into evenly split groups based on something . Gender, age, race - your pick. You'd end up with an uneven split even if your entire pool has the same qualification level and you let someone hire from it "by merit". And I don't mean it'll be random, there will be a clear distributio…

Better education. For all.

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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I don't understand the problem. The flipside would be they're letting Job Advertisers only target women. I wonder what those numbers look like: What percentage of job advertisers only target women? If I'm spending ad dollars, why would I not choose the most effective form of advertising for me? That's not to say they're not hiring women. In which case it'd be more dubious. Last week in the Bay Area I heard a TSA radi…

> why would I not choose the most effective form of advertising for me? To put a slightly different spin on things, in the US young black men are more likely to be perpratrators of crime[0], so should police spend more time investigating young black men over other demographics? [0] whether this is due to racial prejudice or other systemic matters doesn't matter.

As a cop your job is to prevent and solve crime. So yes.

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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post #296

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Which law is that specifically? And, as a business owner, please tell me why it would not be in my best interest to hire the best person for the job?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964, Title VII, which was codified as Subchapter VI of Chapter 21 of title 42 of the United States Code, and was later extended by the Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978, Age Discrimination in Employment Act, and Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. It is in your best interest to hire the best person for the job, but if you determine who is "best" based on inclusion or exclusion from a…

There's no mention of protected class in Title VII. Or the entire Civil Rights Act of 1964 [0]. Try again.

[0] https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=97&page=...

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that these "immutable characteristics" are very hard to assess subjectively by humans. Say you divide a group of candidates into evenly split groups based on something . Gender, age, race - your pick. You'd end up with an uneven split even if your entire pool has the same qualification level and you let someone hire from it "by merit". And I don't mean it'll be random, there will be a clear distributio…

Better education. For all.

Having a culture conscious of bias is good, but I'd rather see some progress before the end of the century. You know, cause old people exist and you can't really change this culture too fast, especially not if you factor in reactionaries that are sort of standing in the way and can't see the issue (hint: it's because you don't have the issue).

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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post #366

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Better education. For all.

Having a culture conscious of bias is good, but I'd rather see some progress before the end of the century. You know, cause old people exist and you can't really change this culture too fast, especially not if you factor in reactionaries that are sort of standing in the way and can't see the issue (hint: it's because you don't have the issue).

I don't follow.

Old people are bad? I don't have issues? Because I'm a particular color and ethnicity you've attached to me?

My comment is about education that is actual education. For example, let's teach kids math in a form that has worked for centuries. Not this new common core stuff. Let's teach students a more complete history, versus the cartoonish narrative that has produced these brainwashed masses. And the current cultural narrative is part of that problem. Check out Thomas Sowell or Camille Paglia. They have some ideas on education based in empirical evidence, not based on what sounds good.

And how has there not been progress? If you look at what the media says I can understand that impression. But walk around a city and you'll see people of all colors, ethnicities, wearing suits working in offices, etc.

I live in a world where, if you put your mind to it and work hard, you can get closer to where you want to be. No matter who you are. And no matter where you came from.

I don't walk around the world putting people in victim/oppressor categories based on someone's outward appearance. That's dark. And to me, more a reflection on the viewer than the actual people they claim to know which category they fit in.

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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Facebook needs to stop posting illegal ads, even if users request illegal ads. It's not my problem to decide how Facebook ensures that they obey the law -- it's their problem. Even if its really, really hard, it's still their problem. If it's impossible to achieve with technology, Facebook should leave the advertising business.

Balaclava sellers need to police bank robbery too. Too long they've gotten away with providing the means for these criminals. /s

The balaclava sellers don't commit any illegal acts, such as going to the bank with the robbers and helping them rob it.

Facebook publishes the ads. That's an illegal act that they commit themselves. That is the distinction.

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964, Title VII, which was codified as Subchapter VI of Chapter 21 of title 42 of the United States Code, and was later extended by the Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978, Age Discrimination in Employment Act, and Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. It is in your best interest to hire the best person for the job, but if you determine who is "best" based on inclusion or exclusion from a…

There's no mention of protected class in Title VII. Or the entire Civil Rights Act of 1964 [0]. Try again. [0] https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=97&page=...

Protected Class: The groups protected from the employment discrimination by law. These groups include men and women on the basis of sex; any group which shares a common race, religion, color, or national origin; people over 40; and people with physical or mental handicaps. Every U.S. citizen is a member of some protected class, and is entitled to the benefits of EEO law. However, the EEO laws were passed to correct a history of unfavorable treatment of women and minority group members. [0]

[0] https://www.archives.gov/eeo/terminology.html

It's the term used to denote the groups protected by a number of different laws, the individual laws describe the classes specifically. This is all well established law and terminology, and anyone who takes part in any hiring process in the US should be versed in all of this.

You're being intentionally obtuse.

Re: Facebook Is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men

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>Which law specifically states what you say? Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964

I read it. Couldn't find mention of advertisement or solicitation for jobs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

That's a summary wiki article, more detail here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact

also:

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/09/18/technology/ap-us...

>Targeting job ads by gender is illegal under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

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