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European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by magduf »

Scarblac wrote: post #169
realusername wrote: post #166

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There's plenty of non-EU news to link to.

Sure, but most of it isn't particularly interesting for EU readers. The vast majority isn't even in their own language.

Al Jazeera news has an English-language version, oriented towards readers in English-speaking countries.

RT is the same.

News aggregators can link to journalism sources like these without having to pay extra fees.

Of course, it might seem problematic that EU readers would get news from a Middle Eastern state-owned news source and a propaganda outlet of the Russian government, but if that's what the EU wants, it's their right to legislate that.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by magduf »

T-N-T wrote: post #264
growlist wrote: post #258

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This claim that the EU/predecessor organisations have secured the peace since WW2 is often made but I think is impossible to verify, since we have no way of rerunning history without the EU in place. Some point to NATO as far more significant a guarantor of peace than the EU.

The biggest guarantor of Germany not invading France again is that France has nuclear bombs and no one ever invaded a country that has the nuclear bomb, which is why people are panicking at the idea of NK having it because it would be impossible to topple their dictatorship and interfere if they had the threat of the bomb. > Some point to NATO as far more significant a guarantor of peace than the EU NATO has never be…

>no one ever invaded a country that has the nuclear bomb, which is why people are panicking at the idea of NK having it because it would be impossible to topple their dictatorship and interfere if they had the threat of the bomb.

It's not impossible, you just can't do it with an invasion, which is likely to have bad side-effects anyways. Just look at the USSR: they had tons of bombs, and their government was toppled, from within. Things are probably better there, overall, today than they were in the Soviet times, even if they aren't that great compared to richer nations. Even more so if you consider all the nations that used to be behind the Iron Curtain; many of those are thriving now, like Czechia.

Perhaps the answer to NK is to let their government evolve to something better on its own, instead of sending in an invasion force. As long as they don't invade SK, it just doesn't seem worth it.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by Sammi »

growlist wrote: post #258
Sammi wrote: post #176

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The European Coal and Steel Community was explicitly started to stop war in Europe. As the original proposal of the community said directly: "The solidarity in production thus established will make it plain that any war between France and Germany becomes not merely unthinkable, but materially impossible" [0]. Steel and coal (or more generally energy) are necessary in order to to wage war. Pooling these things in a su…

This claim that the EU/predecessor organisations have secured the peace since WW2 is often made but I think is impossible to verify, since we have no way of rerunning history without the EU in place. Some point to NATO as far more significant a guarantor of peace than the EU.

Yes correlation does not mean causation. But sometimes the correlation is so obvious that it becomes hard to ignore.

So what I would say is this: Ignore this correlation at your mortal peril. The risk is that of total war.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by magduf »

soVeryTired wrote: post #271
leifg wrote: post #107

As a EU citizen I have always been (and still am) a strong advocate for the European Union. I think the founding of the European Union was one of the greatest things that could ever happen to European citizens. I full heartedly believe this institution played a major role in retaining the piece after World War 2. The concept of open borders in (most of) Europe is something I would never want to miss. But seeing the l…

> But seeing the lawmakers fucking up more and more on these kind of laws makes it harder to build a reasonable argument against all the so called "EU critics" (most of the time just straight up racists). I'm sorry but you do yourself a disservice if you paint people who don't agree with you as racists. Yes, concern about immigration is part of what drives euroskepticism, and some people are concerned about immigrati…

The EU kinda reminds me of the US when it was governed by the Articles of Confederation. It didn't work out very well for us, since the central government had too little power, and we quickly had to come up with our Constitution which implemented a much stronger federal government.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by growlist »

Sammi wrote: post #363
growlist wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This claim that the EU/predecessor organisations have secured the peace since WW2 is often made but I think is impossible to verify, since we have no way of rerunning history without the EU in place. Some point to NATO as far more significant a guarantor of peace than the EU.

Yes correlation does not mean causation. But sometimes the correlation is so obvious that it becomes hard to ignore. So what I would say is this: Ignore this correlation at your mortal peril. The risk is that of total war.

Pure assertion on your part.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by bhelkey »

detaro wrote: post #262
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #260

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Capitalism here. We'd just charge Google the absolute minimum amount (0.00000000001 cent per click) and outdo our competition.

Proposal here, the language is a bit cleverer than "above zero". https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/voss11.pdf

> fair and proportionate remuneration for such uses

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by HumanDrivenDev »

pergadad wrote: post #339
tomp wrote: post #101

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Is there a list of who voted and how available anywhere?

Here it is: https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/not-giving-up/ Who voted in favour? Conservatives, social democrats, liberals and the Nazi.. uh nationalists. Against? Greens and the left You should be able to find the original list here, by opening the PDF for 20 June: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/juri/votes-in-co... The actual content of the amendments is here: http://www.emeeting.europarl.europa.eu/committe…

the Nazi.. uh nationalists.

That's not a constructive way to look at the world. It's the left-wing equivalent of claiming Obama is a Marxist. Get some perspective.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by ericd »

ngold wrote: post #294
SequoiaHope wrote: post #275

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I want to say, I heard all this talk of Ayn Rand as some kind of evil bogeyman, and then I listened to her speak on YouTube. She grew up in a horrible communist dictatorship, and then found refuge in the US. She spoke about how unfair governments can be, and spoke out against forced control of the people. I found her to be super reasonable! She only represents one persons view and I feel that libertarians often fail…

Being that her friend and apprentice was Alan Greenspan you can see where people get a little weird about rand. Also the rand think tank that spews serious amounts of fascist policy.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Rand and RAND are related, despite the name.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by lainga »

magduf wrote: post #364
soVeryTired wrote: post #271

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> But seeing the lawmakers fucking up more and more on these kind of laws makes it harder to build a reasonable argument against all the so called "EU critics" (most of the time just straight up racists). I'm sorry but you do yourself a disservice if you paint people who don't agree with you as racists. Yes, concern about immigration is part of what drives euroskepticism, and some people are concerned about immigrati…

The EU kinda reminds me of the US when it was governed by the Articles of Confederation. It didn't work out very well for us, since the central government had too little power, and we quickly had to come up with our Constitution which implemented a much stronger federal government.

I think many are increasingly reminded of the trials of the Dominion of New England.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by Bakary »

trisiak wrote: post #291
hartator wrote: post #282

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> GDPR is a good example of another law which is potentially dangerous. However, I do see that it's hard to comply with both, but I don't see how they interact with other. The copyright law requires you to store metadata about the user who publish content forever while GDPR forbids you to do so. > Why? I would say most of HN leans left not libertarian.

Libertarianism is orthogonal to left-right split. https://www.politicalcompass.org/

It seems the left-leaning flavor is rarely seen in online commentary or among the tech moguls who openly embrace libertarianism.
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